The Heavyweight Podcast
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The Heavyweight Podcast
Couldn't Be Me
In this episode, we explore the weight of life’s burdens and how emotional struggles impact us. Through personal stories, humor, and vulnerability, we highlight the power of empathy in deepening connections. From health anxieties to emotional challenges, we discuss how understanding different perspectives helps break barriers and foster stronger relationships. Join us as we navigate life’s heavy conversations and inspire reflection. Don’t forget to subscribe for more insightful discussions!
Welcome to the Heavyweight Podcast.
Speaker 2:The message behind saying the title of the Heavyweight Podcast is to be able to say that we can weigh in on some heavy shit. What we're talking about is important from every aspect of it. It's a heavy weight. It's not just about physical weight, but the weight of things that can weigh our minds. So I think it's dope that we can have this conversation. So I think it's dope that we can have this conversation. What's good? This is episode 188 of the heavyweight podcast. I am your anti-social host and never your favorite. Stutter mcfly back again with this lady and these two guys. Go ahead and state your name for the beautiful people out here I'm a cp3 hoe.
Speaker 3:Oh, my god what.
Speaker 4:This is all McFly. I got a bunch of boondock references. It's your boy, molito. It's my fault.
Speaker 3:It's your girl, danza Diva.
Speaker 4:Make sure, y'all avoid the Kung Fu Wolf bitch.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, I ain't never been so happy for you to start a damn show. How was your week? What's going on? Introduce your damn self Me. Somebody say something.
Speaker 2:Somebody other than Bolito say something I'm going to let it cook for a minute.
Speaker 1:Please Let him cook this is funny Go ahead.
Speaker 4:No, I'm good, I'm good yeah how were your weeks?
Speaker 1:My week was actually amazing. It was actually amazing. It was actually amazing. Rich ass, nigga, I mean it was cheap.
Speaker 4:He, the rich nigga, and I got the broke phone Southwest.
Speaker 1:That makes it easy.
Speaker 4:Want to get away yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, you guys got those prices Absolutely and we had like 100 empty seats. Went to Texas so that was fun.
Speaker 4:I think I could fit on a Southwest flight now.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think you could before I think so. I'm a bigger girl, it's not spirit.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 4:I had to always pay for that first row, so I get that little extra 12 inch pause.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do the Southwest first class what up? Exit row what up? Yeah. So exit row what up? Yeah. Uh, saw my cousin, that was awesome. That was real good. So you know, I think I'm gonna make that a a thing just to go down there and cultivate these, this relationship I say that shit, but I believe man fuck them niggas.
Speaker 4:Nah, this is, this is cool because I got.
Speaker 1:I didn't really meet until his dad died, and that was after my died, and we're both like damn near 40. And I was like damn, we just didn't meet, maybe we should and we get along. So it's nice, it was nice. That's how shit be.
Speaker 4:My week was cool, man, it was good. I joke because I'm back down to my pre-baby weight. Oh, I got you. You know what? I'm back down to my pre-baby weight.
Speaker 1:Oh, I got you. You know what I'm saying. I got you.
Speaker 4:I'm back down to the weight I was when she told me she was pregnant. You know how when your woman get pregnant, then she get them cravings and I'm like we're not going to waste this food.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 4:So I gained a lot of weight. I can't blame her for all of it, but I came most of, it was me well you both look great um.
Speaker 1:Stop trying to fuck ain't nobody trying to um, so you ever watch soul plane yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Which one? Yeah, which one?
Speaker 3:there's another one yeah, there's more than one yes, no, there's not, there's not.
Speaker 4:Yes, there's the edited version, then there's oh, there's the pre-bootleg one no, there's the, the one you saw the movie there is. Then there's the bet one. That's why I say it's two. Oh-bootleg one? No, there's the one you saw in the movie theaters. Then there's the BET one. That's why I say it's two oh.
Speaker 2:I thought there was one that released before it because it leaked before it went into theaters. There's that version too.
Speaker 3:Oh, did it. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:That's. That's. That might be one reason they call Kevin Hart a plant Like nigga. How you go from no one to a movie, what.
Speaker 4:Well, if you asked him, Kevin, he had been putting in the work in all the comedy clubs. I didn't see him before that, but he said he had been putting in the work in. I'm going to just take him as word. I can't.
Speaker 2:To be fair.
Speaker 4:I don't know. I don't think that's a Dave Chappelle got scrooged. Still nobody know that movie. No, I think the first movie I see Dave Chappelle is Half-Baked yeah there's some movies out there, half-baked A little bit before that, I believe. Oh fucking Robin Hood, Robin Hood man. Yeah, that's one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 1:He didn't get the feature role. No, he didn't get the feature role.
Speaker 4:My favorite Dave Chappelle line is still walking Blue Street.
Speaker 3:He's like do the thing. I ain't seen none of this shit.
Speaker 4:You ain't seen Blue Street, I don't like Dave Chappelle, Tango, Ugato and Los Pato.
Speaker 2:You say you don't like Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 3:You see, how I said it?
Speaker 2:low Because I didn't want to fight.
Speaker 3:I didn't want to tussle.
Speaker 2:So you don't like Jay-Z, nor Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 3:You don't like Jay-Z, nor Dave Chappelle. You don't like Dave.
Speaker 2:Chappelle, I didn't say, I didn't like Jay-Z Kevin, switch me seats.
Speaker 3:I don't like Dave Chappelle and.
Speaker 1:I didn't say why you got beef with black men. You ain't seen the boom dots.
Speaker 3:I know you lying, you ain't watch.
Speaker 1:You don't like Jay-Z I did say I didn't like fucking Jay-Z.
Speaker 3:I don't like Dave Chappelle. Why, I don't know. He's corny to me. I don't like him.
Speaker 4:You know there's some comedians that you have to have A level, a certain level.
Speaker 3:I knew he was gonna go down. I know you was gonna try To play me. Nigga, don't try to play me, I just he's corny to me.
Speaker 1:My week was level. How was your?
Speaker 4:week you ain't never seen a baby A woman give.
Speaker 1:I mean that's fair.
Speaker 3:He's corny, it's art.
Speaker 1:Art is subjective, that's all good Dave is the goat and that's great.
Speaker 3:I'm sure he paved the way for lots of people. I still don't like Ice-T did too. I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 1:Exactly same thing I'm not a big fan of.
Speaker 3:Ice-T either. But yes, he did pave the way for a lot of people. I never said.
Speaker 4:I didn't like.
Speaker 3:You mean the cop killer, that's a cop.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, oh nigga, he'd be selling that in Shire. You're on a roll today, baby. Anyway.
Speaker 4:And.
Speaker 3:I never said I didn't like them. Jay-z. How was your week, des? It was cool. I never said I didn't like Jay-Z she did. Did I say that? You said that shit I, I don't mind him, I just don't listen to him good thing it was recorded.
Speaker 2:We can play it back. Run this shit back she's. She's ricardo, ricardo, james, you know what's funny hey, we can put it in slow motion.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be like I didn't say that shit I didn't say fuck jay-z, did I say that?
Speaker 2:no, you didn didn't say fuck Jay-Z, but your dancer said you didn't like him Five seconds later.
Speaker 3:If I was making a playlist, he wouldn't be the first artist I thought to put on there. He has songs here and there I like, but they probably are not the more popular ones that you all would like. I just don't listen to his music like that.
Speaker 4:I don't like Jay-Z, you're starting to remind me of Rick James on your show.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Riccardo James, yes, no, I don't remember putting my feet in Eddie Murphy's couch. Yeah, I remember I was like wait what?
Speaker 3:Cocaine's a hell of a drug and fuck both of y'all.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 3:How was your week, big Fly, because I'm not going to be playing with neither one of y'all today. Y' on my nerves. Um, I'll just go into my uh journey to to doing the endoscopy and I'll do that. The what?
Speaker 2:the endoscopy. That's right. Oh, we did talk about that. She see, she don't remember I had a personal conversation, it's clear that des is on the podcast.
Speaker 4:She's just not a fan of the podcast no, that's bullshit, I had I remember we had a one-on-one conversation, so shut your ass up, okay yeah.
Speaker 2:So I had an endoscopy and I told des that I was nervous. I told mo too I was nervous about it. Um, because I didn't. I've never been put under for anything any. I've never had a surgery or operation or anything. So I was nervous about the whole being put under anesthesia. But, um, it was an interesting time.
Speaker 2:I went, uh, shout out to patrick for, uh, for being my, my ride, and um, we're sitting there shooting the shit with the the dude at the front desk and we're talking about luca going to the lakers and shit, and um, we shot the shit and it was real chill. And we go into the back and they, they have you get ready. And we're, as I'm getting ready, he's like so I'm gonna need you to get full butt naked. I said, excuse me, he goes. Oh, you're here for the the upper. Oh, no, you just take your up, up your stuff above your waist off. I said okay. I said, nigga, either way, that wasn't going down. I'm not getting butt naked for you, nigga, that's not happening anyway. So I get prepared. They take you in the back and there's a black anesthetist. An anesthesiologist is that is that yes so she was like you're nervous, huh?
Speaker 2:I said yes, I've never been put under for anything. She's like don't worry, I got you. I said I believe you, I believe you. So she's like they're putting all the vitals on me. I said this motherfucker, like I'm freaking the fuck out. They're like you're really nervous. I said I've never been put under for anything. Any hospital visits I've had have always been don't.
Speaker 1:Don't like the process. Last time I saw my dad hospital all that shit.
Speaker 2:So she ended up giving me something and it, like at a van or something, chilled me out and then, um, she gave, started asking me questions. She was I gave you a little bit of the the shit to knock me out and she's like but the doctor needs to ask you a couple questions for before we start this. I said okay. So she starts asking me about my house and how it was like living in Winchester and I can't remember Cause I remember is trying to answer the question. It was like she asked four questions. I don't remember ever getting to the third, I just remember fumbling on the second and when I, by the time I realized what was happening, I was like you're good to go home. I said, excuse me, yeah, I didn't even finish the question. What you fuck, I just got here.
Speaker 1:So were you in the same room. Yeah, see, I've only gone under once and the shit that fucked me up is they were sitting there talking to me and I was like I don't know what the fuck's going on. I just woke up and I was like in another room and I was like wait, wait, how did they? How did this work? When the fuck did I get here? I'm here for my teeth, yeah, and I'm what the fuck?
Speaker 4:That shit's a trip I told you that's the best sip of your life. You wake up like fuck. Is it, though? Cause you don't?
Speaker 1:remember none of that shit.
Speaker 2:That's why it's good that's why that shit is good and I just remember coming to and I was coughing like crazy. She's like, yeah, you gotta cough, keep coughing. I said okay, and I just like it's time to go home. I was like, yeah, I said fuck.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what was the coughing for?
Speaker 2:I guess for the tube going down my throat, so they wanted to make sure that I yeah. So but yeah, that was an interesting experience, but I have a slight hernia and GERD which is excess acid, so they they gave me a prescription to to regulate my stomach acid and just told me to keep, uh, proceeding to go to the gym and such.
Speaker 1:So how you do, cause I was like how do you do it? Do it a hernia, is it just it?
Speaker 2:depends on the severity of the hernia. If it cause. My nephew has a hernia, but his is worse, he's a like throwing up. Has a hernia but his is worse, he's like throwing up.
Speaker 4:He can't keep nothing down. They don't operate him, not yet, because the only one that's that bad. They go in and repair it.
Speaker 2:He had to get the endoscopy to make sure how bad.
Speaker 1:But he does have to get it. Oh, they got to do surgeries. Yeah, oh shit.
Speaker 2:But you're usually out for a minute from, so you usually got to sit down.
Speaker 4:My wife has one and she literally got hurt from pushing out my daughter. I said so.
Speaker 1:She still causing you pain aww that's what I get scared of is like lifting something. I get scared that I'm gonna get one from like a sneeze, cause I'll be sneezing and that shit, oh shit, my goodness.
Speaker 4:I'm just. I'm waiting for that sneeze to take my back out.
Speaker 2:Oh, boy that's gonna suck oh help so pick me off the floor so I guess it's time to get into the shenanigans. And Mo Patrick said fuck you. So these are usually curated off of life again. We gotta get Patrick on the show, cause I got to see him it's gonna be worse than y'all two together.
Speaker 3:These are usually curated off of life again. We got to get Patrick on the show because I got to see him in person, it's going to be worse than y'all two together. It's just going to be like we got to get Patrick on the show. Sit him right here next to me because he sound like he going to have jokes.
Speaker 2:No, he don't. So these are curated by life, and right now in the notes it's called what you Eat, don't Make Me Shit. Shout out to jay-z um okay so tupac all day, I don't give a fuck. Put your little diamond down, okay, can you share a moment when you realize someone's life challenges were very different from your own, and how did that affect your perspective?
Speaker 4:every motherfucking day when I look at my daughter and say this is, this is what your challenges are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that's the realization that you grew up differently you would fold in the 90s like soft as Charmin. Yeah, because I definitely look at that every day. It's a whole different. They're on a whole different thing than us and the challenges.
Speaker 4:I think even there is just the fact that we never had to deal with social media like they do no and how they can.
Speaker 2:Like we deal with physical confrontation with bullies. They can literally deal with an anonymous bully the whole fucking time.
Speaker 3:So yeah, yeah, but that's psychological warfare like a motherfucker, that's completely I'd rather take on the physical bully than yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1:I'd rather take on the physical bully than that shit not an invisible bully and like 30,000 of them, you're like, oh shit, there's 30,000 things that hate me. I don't even know them yeah, that's scary.
Speaker 3:Tap in, trace that IP and pull up and I think I have the opposite perspective when it comes to the kids, because my stepson has autism, so I think he has a more challenging childhood than I did, so I think that kind of made me. It actually humbled me a lot and it also made me look at some of the people who went to high school with that I feel like might have had autism but they didn't get diagnosed I feel like a lot of people were on the spectrum before it was popular yeah, I think so too, and I'm not even making a joke.
Speaker 3:I just there are certain people, and because I'm with him.
Speaker 4:I'm talking about somebody close to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay Well who he's referring to me you think yeah.
Speaker 1:I was diagnosed before, but it's not like that. It's just he cool though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, well I think because people don't really understand that autism really just refers to how you communicate, that there's a lot of people we know that— I used to communicate with my hands. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of us have a touch of it. The spectrum is so broad, it wouldn't be surprising you used to do what with your hands. It took a minute. He had a nigga moment. It took a minute.
Speaker 2:I am just so tired. It wouldn't be surprising you used to do what with your hands. He had a nigga moment, that's all.
Speaker 1:I am just so tired. And then he looked at me and.
Speaker 2:I was like ah, he had a nigga moment, that's all. Don't mind him, you can refer to my face as soon as he said it. Because I was like this nigga here you just show ass up communicates with his hand nigga, you know.
Speaker 1:You want to know what's shitty, because I'm gonna admit this go ahead and say it that made me think of a wishbone wrestler. Wish he's done some shit. Wishbone, he talks with his hands anyway, what's wrong?
Speaker 2:des, hey des, real quick, real quick. Have you ever said, man, I can't wait for the wishbone big rig, rollo and wishbone.
Speaker 1:No, it never came out. It never came out and nobody noticed no one noticed, no one asked no one asked yeah, he knew he knew if you come my way anyway. Um you know what I learned a lot working at this adult center, senior center.
Speaker 4:Okay, I was going to say that. Yeah, I thought I was like yeah, damn you worked at a porn store.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was finna go. I had to clean that up, finna be done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would think that's what they would be thinking, that's the back room. I got to clean that up Shit.
Speaker 1:But there was like damn I don't remember his name this old fella. He was like 90 at the time and you're like damn, he's like you know all these health issues, but that fool would wake up every day, day, ride his motorcycle in and get in there, get on the treadmill and hit his little weights and go about his day and I'm like I ain't got shit to complain about. Like if this old man can still keep going and doing this shit, what the fuck am I doing? Like nigga, I'm in here, hi. Like shit like that, like always lesbian, or like when you see people with like missing limbs or something like that or things like that and still going through. I was gonna say something I was kicking through, but I was like that's probably, yeah, inappropriate, but you know what I mean. Like that shit makes me put things in perspective for me, like you can do it I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 3:I also think in recent times, in realizing how recent a lot of um, like civil, just things that we had to go through was like my mom going to school where she was being bused in there calling her you know I don't name on the bus, and things of that nature I think I also feel like we're, although we're going in the right path. I think I might've taken for granted how like serious and how recent a lot of that that was for us.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's mad recent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Like our grandparents and grandmas and mamas and daddies and uncles. They went through that.
Speaker 1:Parents were alive when Martin Luther King was killed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I don't think I registered that for like a while and now I'm like oh hell hold on.
Speaker 1:No one is. That's the problem.
Speaker 3:This shit just happened.
Speaker 4:Hold Like oh hell, hold on, no one is. That's the problem. This shit just happened. Hold on, we ain't that far off. They want you to act like or believe that it ain't just happened. Yeah, no, and that's the truth, right.
Speaker 3:That's definitely the truth. That's definitely the truth, but I don't think I realize it. And knowing that now it makes me feel like I have to do better with not only like knowing us as a culture, but how I move as a culture, how I move for the culture.
Speaker 1:Well, I feel like with that, when you go in, that it feels like they looking at us like nigga. What are you complaining about?
Speaker 3:I swear to God, before this episode is over, I'm going to pepper spray your ass because this nigga oh I was like Pepper spray you blood in your mouth. Yeah, bite your little punk ass tongue, because nobody want to hear it Go ahead.
Speaker 4:She done all for the culture. She ain't never seen Boondocks.
Speaker 3:Fuck the damn Boondocks nigga. I don't watch cartoons cuz you see you, finna, make me mad. I don't watch fucking cartoons. Okay, I'll watch the little bitch ass cartoon when I get to the house. Now, what was you saying, kevin?
Speaker 1:Well, you should watch the cartoon oh boy. I'm going to turn this shit off.
Speaker 3:No, I haven't seen the boondocks. I don't listen to Jay-Z. I don't fuck about Dave Chappelle no, shade. Dave Chappelle, I think you did a great job paving the way for people.
Speaker 1:I just don't fucking like the comedy that he does hey, and if you're listening, boy, have I got a joke for you.
Speaker 3:I don't, I don't make fun yeah, please answer the question, because this nigga more recent.
Speaker 2:It's a lot to process. Let me hold on.
Speaker 3:I can't meet for the culture because I didn't see the boondocks. I didn't say you couldn't meet for the culture.
Speaker 4:See, no, don't you should have not said something you should have even had it.
Speaker 3:You should have even had it, even with it yeah, I'm just saying like it's a run it back.
Speaker 4:Run the tape back yeah, please because we can't do that in real time.
Speaker 2:This isn't the nfl I will say, uh, I had this whole answer um picked out, and then someone next to me said that they didn't listen to jay-z nigga, you ain't gonna.
Speaker 3:You wouldn't you suck? God damn itFly. We not been doing this no whole hour long, McFly okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, that's funny. Okay, well, growing up, I will say in a lot of instances it was understood from my perspective that it was always going to be different when it pertained to a lot of my classmates and peers, because most of my peers all had their moms and their life, and usually not the fathers, or they had both parents. Me, it was always just me and my dad and it was a whole different dynamic. So you would get either the kids that envied you because there's like all your dads there, then it would be like the uh, the damn, how can you operate like that without a mom? So, uh, you would get a lot of instances where you would have to deal with people not really necessarily giving a fuck about how you were raised or brought up, because they they're just dealing with what they deal with, which is understandable. But it's understanding that we're we come from different sides or different perspectives because of what we had to deal with growing up. So for me and the reason why I asked that question was it's hard to be empathetic, but it's a very valuable thing and, in a way, a blessing to be able to be empathetic to other people, because everybody comes from a different background. So for me it was understanding that so-and-so might have beef with you because you have your dad around and they don't. So you have to understand and be empathetic, to understand that why they're giving you a little bit of smoke was because it has nothing to do with you. It's just them having to accept something that they didn't get a choice in Same thing with me.
Speaker 2:I never really necessarily envy people for having their moms around, but I just kind of accepted it, I guess as growing up, that my mom had her issues and I just had to accept what it was and then try to make the most of what I was going through. But you know, you learn a lot, regardless of what your background is, is just being able to take the lessons. Like you said, kevin, I dealt with every time I felt sorry for myself or was on some bullshit. I always had a interesting thing of seeing someone with a missing limb or the homeless person that was just happy to be able to get a meal and you go, fuck, what am I complaining about? Yeah, homeless, yeah, and they're just excited just to have a meal. And you're over here like what the fuck am I complaining about if they're just they're happy to just be living yeah so I said it's important to be empathetic in a lot of situations.
Speaker 2:I a lot of times we're so caught up in our own shit we don't know how to be, but it's important to pay attention to what other people are going through because it can make you appreciate what you have.
Speaker 1:So and I would if I could add to that with empathy.
Speaker 1:I think what people got to learn to practice is empathy towards those who you perceive to have more than you because, like, sometimes we look at people that are the haves or whatever and see them go through things and be like well, how could that possibly be a problem to them? It's like it's hard to put ourselves in those shoes because we haven't lived in that life, but it's like if this is the worst thing that they've gone through, it's nothing to us, but to them it's the worst thing they've gone through. You know what I mean. So it's like that's where it gets tough and I think if we could all learn to practice that it'd come out a little better in ways. But, like empathy, I think is important to learn how to go beyond just the lesser Does that make sense that makes sense, I would say two things.
Speaker 4:Sometimes people don't the toughest thing they went through. They may not view it as the toughest thing because the the effects of it may be delayed, yeah, okay, or they can't correlate. Put the two dots together, that this is why this is happening. And then, to touch on what you were saying, mcfly, I always say that I had a great childhood right my grandparents did everything for me and they were.
Speaker 4:They raised me to the best of their ability. But, especially like my teenage years, there was a void there that I wanted my parents and it doesn't. It didn't matter how much they my grandparents loved me, I still wanted the love from my father. I still wanted the love from my mother and it was something that they couldn't replace because I knew. I knew that even though they took those roles, they weren't my biological parents. So that was something that I struggled with and I think I really do think that that really what was pushed me to try to develop relationship with my parents.
Speaker 4:But but again, like people say, oh, yeah, I had a great life, life, but emotionally it was. I always felt I was lacking something because I didn't, I didn't have the one thing I I cherished the most. So like, but people like, because my wife's all the time, oh, you had a silver spoon, yes, I was, yes, I was raised rather nicely, but it wasn't I always tell like, at least you had your mother's love or the version of it, you know what I'm saying and you got to see your father from time to time. It was like cause, like I always say, I I can count on one hand how many times I saw my father before I started driving. You know what I'm saying. So I do think people like Kevin was saying like you, you got to have empathy because it may not be.
Speaker 3:It may not look like a bad situation to you, but you don't know how they feel in their situation.
Speaker 2:Well, that was a deep way to start, I like it.
Speaker 4:I told you, dez, I'm going to be serious.
Speaker 2:How can you define empathy and how has it shaped your interaction with others?
Speaker 3:I think empathy comes from a level of emotional intelligence, just kind of being able to give grace to others that are in different situations than something maybe you've experienced and sometimes things that you have experienced, but still have that grace for other people.
Speaker 4:I think empathy comes from understanding that your view doesn't necessarily match their view but, at the same time, there's nothing wrong with their view.
Speaker 4:And it's understanding that what got you to age I'll just say you're 30. What got you to age 30 is not the same thing that got them to age 30. So, even though the experiences are different, it doesn't discount their view or what they're going through and it's also being able to support in a way that they need to be supported in their down times, because it's like everybody here right, everyone here would require a different type of support depending on what we're going through. You know, like I can't support this the way I would support you, I can't support you know. I'm saying like it's not interchangeable. So empathy is understanding that, especially with people you consider like friends, family, is supporting them in ways that is beneficial to them, is supporting them in ways that is beneficial to them, because I feel like a lot of people operate in the terms of what's I'm only going to give you, what's good for me type deal, and that's not really being empathetic. Empathetic is putting yourself aside and catering to the needs of the other person at that time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the textbooks textbook. You know, putting yourself in other people's shoes, I don't know, but I guess I just I look at it as everybody is their own self. It's like who the fuck am I? Like? I'm no better than anybody, I'm no better than nothing. It's like it's easy for me to like sit down and listen to somebody and just take what they're saying and not judge them. You know what I mean. So I think that's how I just maneuver on a daily. So I think that's kind of shaped me in the the way it is, because I think I just I kind of am empathetic to pretty much everybody and it's it's served me well. I feel like, and like it's helped me be very honest, like if you don't know something, like I can't act, like I'm empathetic to that, like I'll be, like I don't know what that feels like I'm gonna be honest with you. I have no idea, but I'll be here for you, whatever it is you know, does it go along with your, your quote that you had on Facebook?
Speaker 2:What's that the blessing of being able to see people as humans.
Speaker 1:I guess, yeah, I read a lot of comments and I'm like, damn, people are just lost, they're disconnected. And I'm like, how the fuck do you do that? They'll go into politics. And I'm like you know, such and such is going through this they. I'm like you know, such and such is going through this. They're like, oh well, so-and-so voted for that. You're like, well, that has nothing to do with politics. This is like real life.
Speaker 1:Like at this point it's real life. Like cool politics can be real life, but those motherfuckers don't care, you still got to go, do what you got to do. But at the end of the day, everything is based on relationships. Like this whole world moves that way, like if there was nobody people not connecting with each other it'd just be a fucking machine. And if we get to that it's over. We might as well just be robots.
Speaker 2:So Because even in what you said about uh, too short you being able to kind of identify that he was going through something and and you were like well, you know, he's a human.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his brother murdered. You're like dog. Come on. He walked by, I looked at him and I was like something looks off.
Speaker 1:And then I was like oh yeah, nah, leave him alone. And like I think he kind of saw me because I was walking to the bathroom and he kind of looked at me. I was like nigga, I'm not coming to make a scene, I'm not coming to make a scene, I'm going to the bathroom. But I was like nah, I got you, don't, I'm not going to be like what's my favorite word? Like well, yeah, I guess that is, yeah, that's literally my daily thought processes outside of me.
Speaker 4:But like that, seeing people as human is that's key, because we're all just a sum of our experiences. Yeah, and being empathetic also is taking into account the other person's experience, because no two experiences are going to be exactly the same. Yeah, even like when you look at children raised in the same house, each one has a different upbringing. Each one's childhood is not, it's not going to be identical. Someone's going to feel less, less love. This person got more attention, or you are harsher with me, it's not. It's never the same and it's. It's true.
Speaker 4:Like they say, you could, you get a different version of the parent depending on the child. You know what I'm saying. So you have to really look at people and say well, in order for me to empathize with what you're going through, even if I can't understand it, I can still be supportive in a way in which you need. You know what I'm saying. Like I don't have to necessarily have the same background or the same upbringing to see that, because pain is pain. We all can recognize pain. Pain is pain, hurt is hurt, sadness is sadness, and you, you have to relate with them on the on the basis of that, whatever that emotion is, yeah it's.
Speaker 1:It's odd because I look at so much shit where it's like people could be, so like you could talk to somebody who's like completely racist and like when you sit there to somebody who's like completely racist and like when you sit there and listen to it, you go are you guys don't even realize we're, we're in the same fucking boat, Like it's the same struggle, but you can't see past whatever that is. And it's it's nuts, it's nuts.
Speaker 4:I don't know my brain when I'm still looking for these black jobs.
Speaker 1:They all gonna be black jobs soon.
Speaker 3:It's the field that's why he going to get the Mexicans up off the damn field so he can put us back in there.
Speaker 4:We know what the black jobs.
Speaker 3:That's why he said the Mexicans are taking the black jobs, and he immediately sent ICE to the fields Nigga please, you got too many certification in the field.
Speaker 4:I won't be going in the field.
Speaker 1:I just bought a nine millimeter you want to put me. It's legal. Goddamn right Anyway. Stutter. God damn right anyway.
Speaker 2:so in my life. I can say that the one thing that I was being able to be blessed with growing up was the ability to have empathy when I didn't even realize that's what it was, and I've told this story before in this podcast. About like me and my dad went to in and out and we were in the drive through and he was being really rude to lay at the at the window and I'd said dad, like, why are you being mean to them? They prepare your food, like what? And he thought about what I said and I was just like because my brain automatically I was four or five at the time, but I remember just thinking imagine being in their shoes and you're yelling and like being irate with them and would you, would you want to be in that? And he thought about, he said you're right. I said they prepare your food and you're being irate like, would you want? Like, if you're on the other end, what would you do to their food? So, um, I just in life. It was very easy to try to. Maybe it helped me get out of my own brain, but it was easy to understand where I try to understand where other people are coming from, because it was just shit. What are their experiences like? Yeah, and that was a lot of times where I would break it down to what is your like, like daily life, like I'm sure it's very different from mine, so that that made me be able to have friends from different backgrounds.
Speaker 2:Um, I remember my best friend, farhan Farhan Ahmed. I remember his culture and how different he was from mine, but when we would talk you would learn that, like there's so many different people in this world and the roads it took to get to where we ended up in the same room in the same school and we were able to just both love basketball and all these things and you realize we come, we can, he has. He came from a, a, a very religious, a religious two parent household where they they had a strong belief in family and all that, and my family was the exact opposite, but it was very interesting to see that we could still coexist at the same table essentially, and we were very close friends and I always thought it was a trip that one of the times in jury duty we ended up seeing each other like fucking 20 years later and I remember hearing his name and I said, nah, no way. And we were in the same jury pool. I said no fucking way. And he walked up. I said holy shit, this is where I am, but it was one of them things. Even now, we're still cool with each other and it was still the same thing. We still love the Lakers.
Speaker 1:We're still you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You better, you better, yeah, but it's still one of the things is like that's a friend of mine, that that came from just understanding that we're different but we didn't look at each other as bad for being different.
Speaker 2:so to be able to have that empathy, to understand that everybody has a different backdrop and that's a lot of the friends that I met were always different- that's always good and a lot of the closest people that that I've came across, that that helped me through a journey of doing music, et cetera, was based on them having empathy and understanding that I wasn't like them. Going to MI and I remember feeling so fucking cast out by all the rappers. They all used to fucking act like I wasn't one of them, but the rockers fucked with me and act like I wasn't one of them. But the rockers fuck with me. And they saw me walking around Sunset by myself in between class and they asked me to come with them to Amiwa Music.
Speaker 1:Like punk rockers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they're usually an inclusive group. And then they were just like hey, man, you're so dope man, what you can do with your voice is dope. You're the one talented rapper. And I said I appreciate it and and I'm still cool with those people to this day it blew your mind. Yeah, because it was one of the things where I'm like I didn't think that the punk rockers or whatever would look at the rapper and go you're dope. Yeah, and, like I said, there's just people embracing differences well, those fools were just intimidated, the rappers I.
Speaker 2:I just know it's. To be able to see that side of it to me is how I define it Like to be able to see the differences and embrace them and not look at them as a bad thing.
Speaker 4:What you said kind of reminded me of the first question. So I remember I had all through middle school and high school. I had this friend Vijay. So I remember I had all through middle school and high school, I had this friend Vijay and we both had similar pressure, but his pressure was like way deep, worse than mine, right, because like the pressure of doing good in school, right, like being a student was a requirement for me and it was the same for him. But it was worse for him because both of his parents were doctors. Yeah, I was going to say he sounded like he was supposed to be a doctor, right, and not only was both of his parents doctor, his dad was the doctor to a lot of people at the school, so it wasn't like you could do something, it's not?
Speaker 2:going to get back to your dad.
Speaker 4:And I used to remember, like I remember he used to like he wanted to be an athlete, like he wanted to be on um, he wanted to like, like you know, he wanted to like be on the tennis team, or he wanted to be on uh like run track or something like that, and his dad was like no, you gotta study. Like his parents would not let him have anything outside of books. And it's great, I mean, he's a doctor now. He has a beautiful wife and family I think his wife's a doctor too. So I mean, but like that, like the pressure on his life, I was like man, it worked, it worked, it worked. But they literally like they controlled, like no, this is, like this is.
Speaker 2:It's funny Farhan's like some like rocket, something Like he's a scientist where he's like money. Like he has like floor seats to like yeah, like to like the Lakers, and you're like dude, you turned out.
Speaker 1:I like the sounds of that. It's depression.
Speaker 4:I'm too soft.
Speaker 2:Think about there was a girl, this Korean girl, at our elementary school and I remember I was happy getting like a B. She got a B plus and it broke her. I said what the fuck? She was in tears, crying and it's. She was worried about an elementary school brain bringing down her average because of what? The pressure of parents were on her.
Speaker 2:And I'm thinking I felt empathy in that moment Cause I was like damn to have that kind of feeling. I'm just happy getting this. You got a better grade than me and you're heartbroken.
Speaker 1:Like what the fuck? Sometimes I think like damn, I wonder what it's like as an adult at that point where you're like oh, I did all the bad shit. Then like it's over, now, this is just fun. Like yeah, shit, okay. But that's. Hey, everyone's journey is their journey. It's like different.
Speaker 2:So what strategies do you use to step into someone else's shoes and understand their reality?
Speaker 1:Strategies.
Speaker 4:I don't really think I have a strategy. I just think I approach everyone from the mindset of we're not the same and your upbringing is different. My upbringing is different. We may not have the same views on things, but I can understand, like you said, core, like I was saying, core emotions. I can understand what you're going through, I can relate to that and I can always give you my honest opinion. But then you know I'm famous for saying you know, but that's just me, or you're grown Like I, you're growing like I'm. I get myself an hour at the end because I'm, because I'm.
Speaker 2:I can only tell you how I view from my experience your usual statement, and everything I've heard is not always, but your go-to is that you're a better man than me and I was like this nigga, just fuck. I was like.
Speaker 4:I mean, I do say that a lot shit.
Speaker 2:When I hear it, I'm like this nigga just threw shade at me like I hate that.
Speaker 3:You better than me shit.
Speaker 4:I know it's not meant to be, but that's every time I hear the phrase because a lot of times, especially when you're like, you're describing to me like what you're going through in this situation, and then I'll give you my two cents on it, and then I think about it and I'm like, nigga, I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't put up with it, and I was like that's what I'm saying you strong, you better than me, because I'll be flipping tables around this bitch. My rap should be felt.
Speaker 2:I think the strategy that I've used is generally I ask like three to five questions, and that's where I'll start. So, like when someone's telling me something, I might not know what is happening, I try to give them like the three to five questions of like what's you know what? What, where is it coming from? Like the emotion is behind it and everything, and then go from there and then, once I get to that fifth question, I kind of have an idea of all right, this is why this is happening, this is the anger behind it, this is the motion of reason behind it. And then I can kind of go from there to have to understand what empathy, because you know you can only act, you only know what you know. So you just try to get information, as much information as possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, it's the strategy I don't don't know. Just look at everything and everybody. I guess I'm weird, just like everybody you ain't got a guest. Everybody got a story, like everybody deserves to tell their story. So fuck it, tell your story and I, just I'm here to listen the reason why I say that?
Speaker 2:because on the flip side, I've had instances I was talking about this last night where a friend that you haven't seen in years popped up on my doorstep and was expecting help. So when I asked what was going on, I realized this nigga ain't changed and he's not. He's looking for a handout but not help. So you kind of understand that certain people like rest in peace. To a kind of understand that certain people like rest in peace. Uh, to a friend of ours that that that was trying to help him. He said it. He said I don't think I can help him, bro, and it was one of the things I understood is like he's not if he's not willing to help himself as far as get better yeah it's just a perpetual cycle of just please help me.
Speaker 2:Because he was disrespectful to everybody in his like his mom, etc. So he was just so used to people, just giving him yeah so it's still.
Speaker 1:I still feel like I get. I get what I need to know out of hearing the story yeah tell your story and if it's hey, man, that's, that doesn't sound real. Make a judgment from there.
Speaker 2:Cause I even tried to help in that moment and that motherfucker snapped at me and I was like you know what.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a limit. Yeah, there's always a limit. Yeah, it's pretty low.
Speaker 4:Grow up.
Speaker 2:So there's some people need to. And then that instance, he really needed to grow up because he burnt so many ridges. So it was like at that point I lacked empathy. That don't happen.
Speaker 4:I don't know if it's a lack of empathy, if you just hit a wall.
Speaker 1:This is as far as.
Speaker 4:I can go. I think you showed your empathy in another form not whooping his ass one you better than me.
Speaker 2:I I was going to huh you'd be fighting no, I don't fight I can't fight.
Speaker 4:He don't. He don't have to fight this nigga strong. You only take one punch. One punch is not a fight, did?
Speaker 3:nobody ask you fan club. Damn, thank you very much. I'm talking to big fly.
Speaker 4:I might have empathy in this moment. Kevin, I didn't know that you and I'm not gonna say what I never seen you there you basically did.
Speaker 2:I tried not to be there I did.
Speaker 3:I thought that you was gonna be the previous man.
Speaker 1:Let's see, I was gonna say I don't want to talk about that.
Speaker 2:I just I just want to say I try to um, get through life, not because I've repeated here. My dad used to always reiterate the consequences of those actions and you got to really think about the consequence. In this country, as soon as you do one thing, they want to label you something. So that's what usually I hear in the back of my mind. When I decided not take those, but I do. There's been a few times and I almost got the ass whooped. I'm curious what's been a few times that motherfucker?
Speaker 2:almost got their ass whooped.
Speaker 4:I'm curious what's your answer to the question? What are your strategies?
Speaker 1:The crystals.
Speaker 3:No, it's not the crystals. Okay, I typically ask people how they need me to show up for them, so that because I previously would show up in the fashion that I felt I needed it to be presented, but in more recent days I just ask people how they need me to show up for them. Why did you ask me that like that? Because I know you're going to say something smart.
Speaker 2:No, I was going to. No, I'm not saying what did I do?
Speaker 4:I was going to. I'm not saying what did I do. I was going to say I need you to listen to Jersey. What did I ask? What the question? I just wanted to hear your answer.
Speaker 3:I'll be trusting you because you always got some underlying shit that you're going to be on.
Speaker 4:Yes, I've said nothing, but good things about you, you always North Korea, South Korea. It's just always orange.
Speaker 1:What was that? What was that? What was that? Oh, that's fun.
Speaker 4:I'm just making sure that people hear your take. But people know Shit. Yeah, now that you told them I got it.
Speaker 3:What is the next question?
Speaker 4:Because I'm stuck in my head.
Speaker 1:I don't know why it's not even like a good.
Speaker 4:Oh, you know what? This is off topic. Can I say something off topic? Get over it, get over it.
Speaker 1:Get over it. I'm right. You're not right, kevin. You don't even have to talk about it, you're not right. 87 is not 87.1 is not better than.
Speaker 4:Confessions. It's better than Confessions.
Speaker 1:And I told my wife that, listened to both of them and I was like on 87, when you're feeling in your body, and then I did the whole dance in the car.
Speaker 2:But what's your favorite song from each?
Speaker 1:I skipped confessions one and went straight to confessions two, because who wants that? After you put out two? Nobody, nobody, nobody. Every time I was hitting like what's what's? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom boom boom.
Speaker 2:What's your favorite song on Confessions, confessions.
Speaker 1:Ooh, that's a good one, because that is a masterpiece of an album as well too. That's yours Number one, really For personal reasons. Okay, fair, fair, ah shit 87.01.
Speaker 4:I'd have to look at the track list. Honestly, I don't remember 87 on one. I'm not a big Usher fan.
Speaker 2:You don't have to call.
Speaker 1:You got my. That's just I like this video.
Speaker 3:That's a little hits. That's a classic. I like the video.
Speaker 1:My boo's on there Fucking. I can't stand Alicia Keys.
Speaker 3:I don't think of the other one.
Speaker 1:Right, what's the other one? That's Dominique's favorite she loves.
Speaker 4:Alicia.
Speaker 3:When she was in elementary school she used to tell the teacher that at home we called her Alicia. We didn't, we called her as Dominique. So the school would call and be like hi, I'm looking for the parents of Alicia. She did such and such at school today and my mom is thinking they're looking for some interesting Alicia.
Speaker 2:They're looking for Dominique.
Speaker 3:She told these damn people that her name is Alicia Keys at the house and the damn stupid ass school is calling my house asking for.
Speaker 1:Alicia Keys. That's brilliant.
Speaker 4:Genius, the fact that no one confirmed with a parent.
Speaker 3:That's brilliant Genius. It took a minute for my mom to realize like, okay, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:Oh, you've been doing shit.
Speaker 3:That's diabolical. So she stole candy from the teacher and handed the shit out, but they looking for Alicia's ass for the damn crime, but it was Dominique.
Speaker 4:First of all, if she handed the candy out, that's nice. She's Robin Hood.
Speaker 1:That's nice Giving to the folks I like it.
Speaker 4:The teacher needed the goddamn candy anyway.
Speaker 2:Giving to the folks. I like it. Kidding teacher, need a goddamn candy anyway.
Speaker 3:Diabolical. I love it. She was mad as hell.
Speaker 2:What barriers have you encountered when trying to understand someone else's experience?
Speaker 4:Their attitude. That's all Des gave me Yep, I knew that was coming.
Speaker 3:Ain't gonna keep giving you attitude Period.
Speaker 1:Okay, in all honesty, it could be that attitude period.
Speaker 3:Okay in all honesty because when I'm nice to you, then you say we're trying to fuck this. And I'm definitely not trying to fuck, so you have to get an attitude.
Speaker 4:So I only say that when you comment on my appearance well, nigga you, you lost weight hello, hello, hello, nothing like that.
Speaker 1:ghetto, ghetto, ghetto that's the song stuck in my head. Uh, barriers it's almost like we were talking about earlier, like when people don't want to help themselves in that manner that can throw a block in things, people not being receptive to you, actually caring about them and just wanting something for themselves. You know what I mean? That's not conducive to being able to be open with somebody.
Speaker 4:So if it's a one way road, it's kind of tough to be it's kind of tough to be I agree with that Like when you don't understand why they keep doing things to put theyself in a bad situation, whether it be physical or mental, like they're. They're working against their cause for whatever, for whatever reason. They're trying to validate it, yeah, and they're doing more damage than harm, but then they come back and they're complaining about it, but these are self-inflicted wounds here, so I can't help you if you keep stabbing yourself.
Speaker 3:I agree with that.
Speaker 1:I don't want to hand you the knife.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I definitely agree.
Speaker 4:So don't bring the Oreos to my house, please. You can't stop, I can't stop. I'll do the line real quick.
Speaker 1:Oh Lord, that's nuts.
Speaker 4:Oreos and cheesecake. Those are my two weaknesses. Sweet potato pie.
Speaker 1:So Oreo cheesecake, Is that a problem?
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Sweet potato cheesecake too.
Speaker 1:You remember that cheesecake I made then. It was an Oreo cheesecake I would have, I would have.
Speaker 4:Glad you didn't know, because you would have ate the whole thing.
Speaker 1:I would have just pulled up, just pulled the wall down, like we eating this between. I'm sorry guys, I'm still trying to get.
Speaker 4:I'm still trying to get some more of my Montu's pound cake. That pound cake was good, you tried it. That pound shit, we is a.
Speaker 1:Montu's pound cake. That pound cake was good, you trying it. That pound cake, shit we was fed what's y'all's takes.
Speaker 3:I agree with what you two said.
Speaker 4:The pound cake was good.
Speaker 3:I didn't eat the pound cake, remember. I left early that day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you commented on it a few times, like where.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he kept taking pictures of me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you kept posting them.
Speaker 4:I'm like damn, I remember that day Because the only thing I remember of that day is the pound cake, because I walked in, I spotted it immediately. I said that's a pound cake, right there.
Speaker 3:Yes, you did.
Speaker 4:You did yes yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure it was in the foil too. Yeah, yeah, it was definitely wrapped up and he saw it through the fucking wrapping that that was a pound cake, a pound cake as he was walking through the kitchen.
Speaker 2:he didn't even stop. He said that's the pancake over there, kept walking, I'll say, with barriers that I've encountered with dealing with people is sometimes I I try to be empathetic but then you realize sometimes there are damn near. It's like when you deal with computer programs and there's like a fail safe for certain things. It feels like in certain people's lives there's a fail safe to to prevent someone from trying to help. The situation, like maybe a parent's teachings or someone's teachings has made them believe that what you're trying to help and understand is impossible. So you're saying, hey, you can totally do whatever the fuck you want to do and they're like but I can't because this was kind of embedded in me. So you're trying to understand how that has so much more power than trying to get to the it's very hard to indoctrinate people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, well, that's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a self thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:But you got to become aware that you're indoctrinated.
Speaker 4:That's the key, but you got to want to. That you're indoctrinated that's the key, but you got to want to be better too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now you didn't trigger me. Everything is Don't watch that, ruby Frank. Fuck is that Fucking documentary on Hulu.
Speaker 3:Who the fuck is Ruby.
Speaker 2:The lady that was a YouTuber that was abusing her kids.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, that bitch She'd die.
Speaker 2:Yeah. She was like she claimed her kids had demons.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's the one that was in Utah. I can't watch stuff like that and the boy broke up and that's how they yeah, yeah, that bitch needs to die.
Speaker 2:But when you were saying the husband in that situation was completely he believed whatever the juice was, that nigga knew. I'm just saying, to a degree though, it's like he believed his wife, yeah, like whatever she was saying he bought into it.
Speaker 4:What's that syndrome, des that when the mother keeps a kid sick? Stockholm?
Speaker 3:No, that's not Stockholm, it's called Munchausen she basically had that shit to the 10th degree.
Speaker 4:Oh, she had three kids, right.
Speaker 2:They had a total of six.
Speaker 4:I know it was a lot, I'm not gonna watch it. She would like she would go days without feeding them and shit oh no hell no she.
Speaker 3:I can't watch stuff like that. I'd be mad as hell, did she?
Speaker 2:get a release date. Oh, it was just 30 years in prison so she got a release date okay 30 years didn father get time to forever.
Speaker 1:No, he didn't get time. He didn't get time was she like 80 at least. Now why he didn't get that's not enough time, because he literally cast him out yeah, she was a stay-at-home mom, all he really does this is why I'm saying that he was.
Speaker 2:He was under whatever belief that she was on at some point because she had this therapist that she was she had some weird relationship with. She told him at some point our relationship or our marriage can't work. I need you to leave until I decide that you're allowed to come back, so he literally left for over a year with no, no, interaction with his family couldn't be me.
Speaker 2:Because she told him you can't interact with us until I decide you're that I'm ready to bring you, allow you back. So he for a year didn't know this was happening, because she literally told him you can't make contact with us because he believed whatever the fuck bullshit she was on.
Speaker 3:These is niggas in palm color people.
Speaker 2:What the hell you think? I said it when I saw it. Only white people would do this shit. They were in Utah.
Speaker 3:Oh, utah, I didn't hear you say Utah. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, these is palm colored pieces.
Speaker 2:oh my gosh, I can't replace this, my bad but the fact that anyway, yeah, but when you said that, like that is certain people, just because even her son kept saying, well, you know the belief, and it's like you cannot like there's certain people that are so fucking embedded in them that they can't break until they want to break, but so it's like those barriers that I've seen where you can't force them out of that, you mean like Aubrey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, yeah those barriers, that those are the barriers that to Nick, as the the, the ones where they they have such an embedded belief and it's like near a fail-safe, to where it's like whoever made them believe that left it there and was like, yeah, good luck, trying to get them out of that thought process. So you're trying to like understand where they're coming from, but at the same time it's like who the fuck put this here to make you just it's just a web.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's how our entire government is set up right now.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I feel like it's been set up like a web for a long time, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's all loud like a motherfucker.
Speaker 2:now it's loud. Hell yeah. Before we get out of here, I just want to say rest in peace to Daniel. I know him by Buck B-Naz Perez. He did the original logo for the Heavyweight Podcast.
Speaker 2:He's a dope rapper, shit. He would go to war with you and ride with you in a heartbeat. And I have fucking emails and instances where I've had beef with rappers and he was like nigga. And he didn't say nigga, but like who are we going to war with? And he would just be like, oh, I got this beat, we could rap over this. And he'd send me a verse like like the ultimate, like if ally, and and, uh, he would definitely be missing a lot of people. And it used to always floor me because I would run into so many people doing music. I would go to like west covina and do, uh, the b-side show and then find out that one of the executive producers for the b-side show knew, knew buck personally and essentially, buck, if, really, if buck really wanted to, he could took, he could have taken over the whole ie as far as a movement, because that's how deeply he was known and loved, like that's my neighbor, uh, because I posted that and she was like, oh, you talking about.
Speaker 1:I was like you don't know, buggy, I'm like how the fuck? And like, oh yeah, my cousin is his cousin.
Speaker 2:I'm like, of course, yeah, of course and when you hear the stories of like ciphers that I've been in and and and these stories it was usually at one of his parties or kickbacks and we and the story always goes like where I would come up to him he was was like, let me guess you trying to get a cypher going. I was like, yeah, that's why I'm here. You know I'm here and me, him and Kevin. They would get some drinks in them and then we ended up having a whole freestyle cypher.
Speaker 1:And we used to do that shit all the time Too long. We were up till the morning, yeah.
Speaker 2:A long time. I mean that's where we got knees nausea twice an hour.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hey it was flowing and I was like I don't know.
Speaker 2:Hey, look at that knee Like, wait what Like?
Speaker 1:I mean, he probably wasn't wrong, they're delicious. Yeah, they was they definitely, but man missed already you won't truly be missed, man.
Speaker 2:It's yeah, man, but I want to say rest in peace to him. Dope lyricist man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, love you, we love you, yeah and hold it down, but again this has been episode 188 of the we love you.
Speaker 2:Yeah and uh, hold it down, but uh again. This has been episode one. 88 of the heavyweight podcast. Like subscribe. Share comment on that, uh, we love you guys till next time. Peace, peace Well that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's that's how she wrote, so make sure you click like subscribe. Tune in. We're on the Austrian platform, so until next time we'll highlight you.
