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Talk Yo Shit "D'zyl 5k1"
What comes to mind when you think of resilience and self-belief? In this episode, artist D'zyl 5k1 shares his journey from childhood dreams of wrestling to finding purpose in music. We explore the power of music to heal and inspire, the hustle of San Bernardino's music scene, and the joy of supporting young artists. From open mics to debates on the top five MCs, we highlight the importance of authenticity, self-love, and collaboration. Tune in for personal stories, humor, and a celebration of artistic perseverance!
And believe in yourself. Have the gall to believe that what you do matters, because you never know unless you do it. You know and stay true to your guns. Believe in yourself, do whatever you do. I would say, research it. I don't believe that. Hey, you can be anything you want. You can be anything you're good at. You know, so you know. Put your money where your mouth is too. You may never know Like you're going to suck at whatever you do for a long time once you just start. But that's how you learn. Like I feel like I failed so much in life and in music that I know what to do by process of elimination. So all those L's were lessons and made me become a master at a lot of things. You know because I know the opposite of it. Like okay, if that doesn't work. I know the opposite of it. Like okay, if that doesn't work, then obviously the opposite of that's going to work. So let me try that out. Okay, then learn to put a little paint where it ain't.
Speaker 3:You know, I'm big boned, I'm heavy structured, I'm hung low if I pull my shit out.
Speaker 4:So, anyway, this this is another dope episode of Talk Yo Shit. Yeah, yeah, right, yep. Now I always say that and I always mean it right. But me and this man go back, we're in the same label. But me and this man go back, we're in the same label. We been through a lot of shows and seen a lot of wild shit on those shows, so like, and I've always picked this man's brain for a lot of information as an artist as I was developing.
Speaker 4:So he's very informative. He's never been in a position to be a gatekeeper or anything like that. He's always been. If he can help you, he's going to do it. So when I say that this man is not only a dope artist, he's a dope person and uh and and real about giving, uh, this information and love to people who actually want to receive it. So when I say that it's an honor to have him here and to see this come together like this in this, in this great way, and you get to see his energy and his goofiness and the way his mind works, again, to me this is family, this is a brother. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Diesel. 5k1 is what I say. They say 5,000 when I always say 5K1. I never asked him if he was cool with that.
Speaker 1:I like you too, man. That was a strong intro'm like I gotta, I gotta say what I feel.
Speaker 4:I always gotta say what I feel can't say nothing, nice it's. Every introduction seems to be an adventure, so be prepared, but how? Are you doing this?
Speaker 1:weekend is it?
Speaker 4:wanking yeah. I guess I'm simple, but how are you doing this morning?
Speaker 1:I'm wonderful, I'm honored and blessed to be here. Thank you guys for having me. I'm an early riser, so I'm ready. We're here. I feel like my seat's sinking a little low, because maybe I'm just tall and I should be towering.
Speaker 6:No, nigga, you just tall yeah.
Speaker 1:So am I officially the heaviest heavyweight on the heavyweight podcast so far, I mean yeah. I just want to know if I hold the record. Probably.
Speaker 2:Possibly.
Speaker 5:Your damn shoulder tallest.
Speaker 2:What do you weigh? I'm on you know like buck 75. A buck 75?.
Speaker 1:One, 75. Yeah, say it like that, but like on the moon From the waist up. Yeah, I was like where?
Speaker 2:What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Like on the moon, so like in ratio, carry the one, and then you know.
Speaker 2:Yes, then we'll give it to you.
Speaker 1:All right, so I identify as a much smaller man, but I know I'm heavy.
Speaker 6:I'm trying slender.
Speaker 2:He's been waiting on that. He's been waiting on that.
Speaker 4:I've had it.
Speaker 2:I could tell as soon as he said oh, this is the time.
Speaker 5:I've had it.
Speaker 4:The time has come.
Speaker 5:I'll tap out. I'm so fucking tired Welcome welcome.
Speaker 1:welcome the views and opinions expressed here.
Speaker 4:When did you know that you wanted to do music?
Speaker 1:That's a good question. I wanted to be a wrestler, growing up.
Speaker 4:That was my thing, me too.
Speaker 1:I was a Hulk Hogan fan before he turned into an asshole, right, you know, ate my vitamins, said my prayers, all that good stuff. And you know, I remember I go back to a shadowing day in high school and we actually went into a ring and I saw what I actually have to do and I'm like, oh, I don't want to do that seems. Seems like a lot of work and painkillers. So, um, yeah, I mean, I was always writing. Like when I was young, I was like making comic books and, you know, writing short stories and everything, and so writing was always like my, my big thing and I love music. And then, um, I started combining, I started like making parodies of songs that I liked and my brother, like you know, challenged me, said, instead of like making funny songs, I would just make your role. So I'm like, okay, bet, that's how I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1:And then I started writing, oh oh, oh, it's not bad, that's not bad at all. And I just kept doing it. Like my mom was always singing while working out or like cleaning up and whatever. So, like I always had that in my head, I always had a sense of melody, I always had a sense of I'm going to sing while I have a long day. You know, I'm going to do something or I'm going to chill out on the porch and, just, you know, get lost in the music while it's it was raining outside. Whatever, it was always a part of me. So I combined my love of music and my love of writing together and I saw it was something good. And I kept it a secret to myself until one day, like a teacher, miss Flannoy. I remember her name.
Speaker 1:In the 10th grade she saw me writing a verse oh, you do music. Well, I try. You know what I mean. Do something. So we should get on the Black History Month talent show. And this was young Diesel. So I was still. I had my giant fro at the time. You know, bone Thugs and Harmony were very popular when I was in high school, so it was Mac 10.
Speaker 2:We all had the blowout. Oh, I'm not old.
Speaker 5:Don't do that.
Speaker 6:You're the oldest one here, I'm not.
Speaker 5:I'm not the oldest one.
Speaker 1:I don't like to say I'm old. I like to say I'm seasoned.
Speaker 4:I don't know, it's an occasion.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'll be seasoned a little bit.
Speaker 6:Yeah, you know, don't call me old, is it Creole?
Speaker 1:Shut up, okay, so the teacher saw you writing, so you should get out there and do something. So I remember I had the homie that he made beats or whatnot and then I paid him like 50 bucks for his beat. It was the most terrible beat ever, right, but I'm like I need something. So, um, like the night before I got like a who was? It was um, uh, the, how high remix method man and red man.
Speaker 1:Like I took that instrumental instead and I wrote something to it and I went in front of my school and I was a shy kid that never talked. I was a weirdo, I was a nerd that sat by myself and whatnot. So I went out and they never heard me talk before. It was like you could hear a pin drop and then I just beat, came on and I exploded. I'm standing ovation. I'm like, oh, they responded to that. They liked that, okay, cool, and like after that it was like night and day, like people were coming up and talking to me. I was like the pride of the school. You know I was. It was magical.
Speaker 1:I'm like, okay, if I have a voice, what I say matters and people are going to listen to it, maybe because I'm a giant, but you know, um, I feel seen and alive. So, okay, let me. And like. That feeling never went away. So every time I'm on stage and like and people like you know, if I'm invisible to them before I'm on that stage, you're going to notice me afterwards because I'm going to come for it. You know, and I know what that feeling is like. If I could ever help people get that same feeling, you know, because being able to be seen and feel like you're a part of something or feel like you matter, could be the difference between life and death. So me going through my struggles with depression and stuff growing up and we can all go to that stuff too but it really helped me out in this therapeutic form Even to this day. It's extremely therapeutic for me. So I'm always chasing that dopamine rush and you know, that's.
Speaker 1:I'm still here doing it, and some cool things have happened along the way.
Speaker 4:So it's essentially like getting a nut for you.
Speaker 5:This nigga.
Speaker 4:I'm just saying, like you said, the dopamine rush, I think that real talk it is, it's spiritual.
Speaker 1:It's a it's, it's church for me. You know that's that, it's church for me. That's my testimony. It's a high that nothing can like.
Speaker 4:You described that well, because that's exactly how it feels. It's like this weird high that you're always chasing. That's why I compared it to a night.
Speaker 2:You chose the right way because you could have went the wrong way, because you were not a little person and you became the pride of the school. You could have been like man fuck all y'all.
Speaker 1:Start bullying people. Yeah, really, you know, but thank you for not doing it. Yeah and um, you know, it's been a beautiful. I'm always humbled every time someone says you use something. Hey, that was dope, I like what you did, I'm like I. I appreciate that. You know.
Speaker 1:I believe that the words from a stranger can save your life you know it's the worst day in the world and someone tells you hey, I really liked that shirt that could change you around. Now you're not going to go shoot up the school or not going to, you know, do this or that or jump off of the bridge or whatever. You know little things like that matter. That can really help people, piece of shit.
Speaker 6:Cause I'm like they might sorry I swear to god, you know just spitting bars on a tower.
Speaker 4:Let me stop um. So where did the name diesel?
Speaker 1:5001 come from. Oh man, so like my rap name, high school was a. It was a long shot, you know the x-men fan, but it stands for, uh listen, living on negligent ground, spending hours overtime training. It was long-winded, but you know it was like on some underdog shit. It was like, hey, I'm, you may not expect much from me, but just know I'm putting in a lot of hours, a lot of work in to be the best that I can be. And like long shot, he was his character from x-men where, um, he was cursed with failure and everything he did, but his power was that he had enhanced luck. So he was still trying to, even though he was doomed to fail, he was still going to give it his all.
Speaker 1:And when I had a rap partner, sonny Phoenix, and we had a group Y Factor, yellow Factor, because we were both light-skinned, his uncle, we had an in with Interscope Records and so we were trying to be more like professional and whatnot. Man, long shot, I guess, wasn't sexy enough, so I had to go with another name, but me also attached name. I had battle people for that name. You know that was, that was my name, that's who I was. But I'm like okay, you know what? I gotta conform at some point. I want to make it, I want to do my thing. So I went a list of like 500 names and like, boil it down, blah, blah, blah, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. You know, diesel was my favorite wrestler growing up. So, okay, let me do Diesel, but let me change it up a little bit, let me make it the, but it's Diesel, you know.
Speaker 6:That's what I was going to ask. I was like, come on, you said you're a wrestling fan. I know it's called Big Diesel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, big Sexy, you know, and the 5K1, like you know, I was also a big OutKast fan, right? So I'm like okay.
Speaker 6:I'm a big Andre fan too.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I'm like okay, like everything that we do now, it's like it's a snapshot in time, it's like a time capsule, right. So like I want my music to be like still dope in the year 5,000. One so diesel also like a slang for like big, extra, larger than life, you know, powerful. So I'm like I want to make powerful, theatric, impactful music that's still going to be dope in the future that's well thought out thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6:You put a lot more thought in that than Lil Baby or.
Speaker 5:Dub. Baby oh, I love Dub Baby that's Dubby I love him it's all spelled together Dubby.
Speaker 1:I love him. I almost started saying that shit, that's not Dub Baby, that Double beef.
Speaker 6:I love him.
Speaker 5:I almost started saying that shit, that's not the baby, that's my baby.
Speaker 4:I love him. I'm going to ask this just because it popped in my head, because you said battling, how many have you been in battles, rap battles, and you had to Do you remember, remember your, I guess your your toughest battle, rap battle, kuda. Oh yeah, my cousin, that's a long fucking day, yeah oh, he embarrassed me.
Speaker 1:That's easy. Kuda, kuda's, like, that's still like.
Speaker 6:That's my he was your cousin.
Speaker 1:He embarrassed you both, my cousins, both my cousins Kuda and my cousin Trey. They uh, they double-teamed me. They went on me all day. That's cool, damn.
Speaker 2:Well, they just did that for fun. I think a little of both, okay. They did like sports, if you're on the same team, but if you just do that, you're like yo cuz Right Shout out to Kuda.
Speaker 1:It was like a family kickback. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, see, there it is, yeah, yeah yeah, I said they did that to embarrass you in front of the family.
Speaker 6:That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 2:No, that's just a pow-pow.
Speaker 1:Hey, yeah, you know and I learned a lot that day, you know, and I grew from it Like I'm strong from the hazing. You know they're best friends growing up and they used to, like, you know, snap on me, snap on me, snap on me, but like not to be malicious. But that's what you do. You clown your younger cousin and because of that I'm so quick with it. If someone ever tries to clown me like I got like 17 jokes right to come back at you and like you can't say anything. It was all training for another day. But we're tight. Me and Kuda never had problems. That's like the dude I wanted to be like growing up. He was the good-looking dude, the best rapper, singer, just cool personality.
Speaker 4:You know, kuda, kuda is. Yeah, shout out to Kuda again, because that's what? Yeah, you said Kuda, that's a long day, he's nice.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I can't keep getting Mace out of my head. Scooby-doo, the game. Now I know my duty.
Speaker 4:Tell me yeah, I'm going to have to play you some Kudas music.
Speaker 1:So what made you decide to start uproar? Well, actually I didn't start it. My boy, dave you know him, suggs Pops, that's my best friend. He went to the school before me. I graduated from Sierra High School in San Bernardino. I was the best rapper at the school during my time and he was the best rapper at the school during his time, and my sister, who knew him as well, introduced us together and said, hey, you guys should link up, whatever. So we were a duo for a while in high school and then we kind of went off and did our own thing and he came back and said, hey, I'm going to try to start this little thing together, this little collective, and he came back and recruited me.
Speaker 1:It was just good to not do stuff alone, especially like in San Bernardino or most parts of the IE. It's like for the wolves If we ever did a show and we were better than another group or another act, we had to be like to fight them afterwards or like battle them, whatever. So like having like your team, your backup, it was important and we all kind of like the same stuff. You know we grew up together, came from the same neighborhoods. You know we had different backgrounds and ethnicities, but, um, we all still had pride in what we did and where we were from, and so that's where it came from there and, like you know, there was a few of us. We had a small collective. Some of them are still cool to this day. Some of them, you know, they've gone off to other places. Some of them aren't here anymore, and you know we just we had to have our backs and do ourselves. No one's going to do it for us. So that's where Uproar came from.
Speaker 1:Uproar we're the underdogs that were to say, hey, we matter too. We, we have something too. Like, if we need to go get shirts, like, hey, we're gonna press them up ourselves, our cds, we're, we're slapping, you know, stickers on the cds. You know, put them, press them up at kinkos and whatnot, slinging them at shows, doing whatever we could and like researching. Hey, how can we do this? How can we make this better? Um, who can we reach out to for this opportunity? You know we're we're not going to wait for people to come to us, like we're going to knock on the door and say, hey, I'm here, I want a shot. You know, this is what my worth is and whatever.
Speaker 1:And so that's how we always expanded with that and just over time, you know, we, we changed, we stopped doing it for for years to where I was like the only one left, you know, and I, you know, I went out on, trailblazed and got opportunities and did this and that and, you know, reformed the crew back. And that's when, you know, sonny, he started coming back around. Not coming back around, but he started, you know, growing up. He's like 12, 13. He wanted to do this. I'm like all right, man, you grew up with us in the studio, like it's your time, let's see what you can do, and then you to Sonny Prince of the.
Speaker 1:IE. You know I've known that man since he was three years old. I pushed him in the stroller. You know, now I see him on billboards and shit. You know that's crazy to see.
Speaker 4:That's what's up. I told him this, I brought this story up to Sonny and I wanted to see and I remember you commented on the post on the clip what was your recoll. I can't remember where it was. I want to say it was towards Long Beach, but where we ended up not performing that night.
Speaker 1:When they had like 47 artists on the hill. Yeah.
Speaker 4:I remember being very turnt up that night. Yeah, I still don't like that promoter man.
Speaker 1:When I see him, we're, you know Another story for another day. But that dude, you know, sometimes you got to, I'm going to say this a lot, dude. Uh, you know, sometimes you gotta I'm gonna say it's a lot during episodes sometimes you gotta take it on the chin, right. Oh boss, stupid, you're so stupid. You know, and we'll get, we'll get to that.
Speaker 1:But sometimes, sometimes, like you know, you're going stuff with good intentions and you know you gotta be professional about it, even though it's like some terrible circumstances you gotta go through. You gotta put stuff with good intentions and you know you gotta be professional about it, even though it's like some terrible circumstances you got to go through and you got to put up with this. And I always say save it for the car ride home, cause, like there's been a million shows where there's some like wild stuff happening at the show or people are coming at you false or not coming, correct, or just some outlandish funny shit that you want to clown with. Like, save it for the car ride home, just some outlandish funny shit that you want to clown with. Like, save it for the car ride home. We'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later. Right now. We just got to stay unified. We got to. You know, nothing can move us. We got to be stoic about it, whatever.
Speaker 1:But yeah, when you're on the lineup and if there's like 20, 30 names on it, you ain't performing like at a good time, unless like in the morning, and that shit sucks. If you got to work at 4 30 in the morning, yeah you know, and you take a hour and a half drive to get there, you come with the whole crew and whatnot. You prepare, you rehearse and you see just a bunch of clowns on stage. You know, 28, 20 acts later, like yo, I'm still not up. Hey, what's up, man? Like we got to jump you afterwards or what's going on.
Speaker 4:That's what it felt like because it felt like yeah, that's why I was going to ask you your thoughts process, because I know I was very riled up in that parking lot.
Speaker 1:Man. I want to see what car he had. Pop the tire or something. I don't encourage these acts, but it's how we felt at the time.
Speaker 6:Oh God, Leave your truth.
Speaker 4:Because I know Sonny was like man. He thought it was crazy because he was underage. He's, I'm here underage trying to perform and this shit happens and he saw how we were all reacting.
Speaker 1:it was that it felt like it was going to be some some shit in that parking lot, yeah. But but most of you, you learn from, like. I remember, like one of my favorite movies, uh, the five heartbeats when they were all excited to go on tour, like, yeah, man, we have to be at this room, blah, blah, and like they're, they're on're on this stage. It's like a four-by-four stage and they have a little tiny microphone with a two-foot cord and they're singing along to their record playing and whatnot. I've had shows like that, where the cord is from here to here and I'm rapping over my shit and I'm like man, that bathroom is just like a cloth. Yeah, there's not even a door on.
Speaker 1:There but you know, there's experience, right, you learn what you like what? You don't like what you will tolerate what you won't tolerate. So I mean it's all. It's all part of the journey. Now you can differentiate and say I don't want to do that shit, no more, I don't have to do that, I don't have to pay those dues. But sometimes you need the experience so you can make a joke about her story, about later and I was so mad about that because I thought that stage looked so dope.
Speaker 4:yeah, that's what always bugged me about that. That was like when we get on that stage about to fucking kill this shit and it was like, yeah, you guys ain't performing, I was like what the fuck? We overbooked, yeah, and that shit used to happen a lot, unfortunately, because certain promoters just I figured I'd bring it up. I brought it up to Sonny, I figured I'd bring it up with you. But you know, being that you've delved into throwing shows, running, being a part of a label and being an artist, what challenges did you face with each?
Speaker 1:I've been throwing shows for a long time, it was mainly just trying to book the people that I like. So every time I can book a show, I'm booking a dream team lineup of people that I fuck with or that I think are dope, or I want to expose them to an audience that they're not used to, or combine this area and this area and this area to you know, to get together and network and do the thing when they normally may have not ever done that before. And, like I started like investing in like sound equipment and learning how to DJ and do all that stuff or host and all that, just so I can be self-reliant. Or even like lend those services out to people whenever they need that and you know I mean there's challenges with it. I mean, sometimes a person may be really dope. They show up with like one person you know, and you know the bar is mad at you because they're not making enough money or it could be. They bring too many people and they're rowdy as fuck and you're like man, these guys are tagging in the bathroom or they're doing this and that, or they're saying bitch too much on the microphone and the owner of his woman she's like hey, I don't like that shit at my place. You know it could be a bunch of things, so it's a gamble going with it whatever.
Speaker 1:And just hip hop in general usually has a bad reputation for venues, like some places, even if they know it's going to be a hip hop show, they may have like a million dollar like insurance bond on it. It's where, like hey, just because it's hip-hop, we have to charge extra and we have to be really careful because someone got shot here last time. I'm like damn, like I've never been at a hip-hop show where there's been a fight. I've seen some rock shows and other stuff where there's been fights and stabs and shit. Never had a hip-hop show that I've ever to ever throw. But you know that negative stigma is going to be in there because of the content of the music that's. You know that's abundant.
Speaker 4:Wasn't that the shit they were doing with Mission Tobacco? Yeah, sounds about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had a lot of places in Riverside.
Speaker 4:Yeah, unfortunately, I remember yeah, there was a few times where they weren't doing hip.
Speaker 2:Were people tagging it in the bathroom Because I'm probably going to be like y'all niggas can't go in there, yeah.
Speaker 5:No, that's not happening.
Speaker 1:Shut it down.
Speaker 5:Big brown ass tagging it in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's hip hop. It's hip hop. Get in the bathroom, bro Do a mural. You don't have to sketch your name on the toilet seat for hip hop. You know I got to cut my ass cheese cause you wanna keep it real you fucking up for everybody.
Speaker 2:You fucking up for all of us.
Speaker 1:Come on you know, we all want a platform, we all want to rap in front of people, we all want to be self-serving. Do you really want your?
Speaker 6:name on a toilet seat, though, right, you know that's the crazy part as grown adults yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, yes, you got to deal with knuckleheads and whatnot and all that. Or hey, can we? Can we blaze up here? Like no, you can't blaze up in here dummy can you blaze up at work. You know being, being an adult. Don't mess this up for all of us. Just because you feel comfortable, put your shoes back on.
Speaker 2:Kevin, do you think that comes with like, not knowing, like? I think a lot of people don't understand that business side of it too, because you're like yes, wiz khalifa can have people come in here because they can pay the fucking 35 30 whatever, right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, see, even with that though, like I notice, I've just some people just don't get it, because we've had like co-workers that, uh, that were drivers, right, and they got fired for tagging while they were on route and when they were brought in the office, they said this is just what I do. And it's like nigga, you're what you get paid, this is what you're doing. And then the boss is responsible. This is what I do, you're fucking fired like you know what I'm saying like it's just, it's wild.
Speaker 4:It's like some people just don't get it. You could try to explain hey, man, this is a business. We don't do this at the business they'd be like. You have to explain that yeah, you shouldn't, but, like some people, just don't get it.
Speaker 1:Oh, god, you know, and like, even like we're like we're booking right, like I want to get like a decent amount of acts, like I want to put 40 people on the bill, but you know, I want to put enough that we're like it's a good show, or like say, you know, so somebody doesn't have a huge fan base. I know, if I can get a big crowd here, I know they can rock the shit out of that crowd and I know they can keep them entertained. They're going to be there the whole time and it's just going to be a good vibe. Um, all together. Then you have, like, you know, I call it the friday night family emergency. When someone cancels, like maybe an hour or two before the show, I'm like, well, damn, I could have had like 17 other people fill this up. I could have filled the side.
Speaker 1:I rap, you know, and um, you know, like little things like that, or like, hey, this person's dope. But like man, I can't book you for another six months, you know, because I can't have the same lineup every single time. You know, I gotta spread that stuff out. I want to have this artist, this art. So I have like a really young crowd. Then I got like a, you know, an older artist that don't appeal to that type of stuff. So I gotta like balance all those things out. And you know a lot of things come out of pocket. You know this person wants to be paid this, or I want to accommodate them for their time and travel, or what they're bringing to the table. Um, there's a million things that like happen during shows. But it's a labor of love.
Speaker 1:But I love it, you know, and even though, like most times nowadays, I'm behind the boards, you know, running the sound and whatnot, I got the best seat in the house.
Speaker 1:I'm just enjoying everybody performing and getting together and chatting. Some people are going to collaborate, some people are going to go home together. You know, just seeing that community building is always like it's self-serving for me. I love seeing it and I love shaking hands with people, all the hugs, the good conversations. That's always going to be a thing that I'm going to be into, you know, and I feel like I can pay those blessings forward because I remember people like open up the doors for me and they, they open up that stage and hey, go, do your thing. Like I was jumping on every single open mic I could anywhere I went to and I went from that to headlining shows and throwing my own things and whatnot. So I know the ins and outs of all of it. I just love seeing it all come together and all the networking from it, and so I mean there's challenges with anything you do but, like I said, if you love it you just take it on the chin.
Speaker 6:Pause.
Speaker 4:Oh geez, he was waiting. What is your writing structure when you're creating music? What is your writing structure when you're creating music? Like is it? Do you create the maybe the chorus or the hooks first and then go into the 16 or the verses, or do you, kind of like, create the verse and then build around that?
Speaker 1:Well, it's changed over the years. I used to write before like hearing a beat and I'll like start trying to match it to it and I was offbeat as shit. I had way too many words in a sentence. So I struggled with that for many years and I still try to fit too many words in a sentence. I feel bad when I got to take them out, but nowadays I hear the beat and I'll start mumbling the melody so I have the way I want it to sound to sound. Then I'll start filling it with words later.
Speaker 1:And like being a professional driver for many, many years you know, you know we're near a notepad I started getting really good at like building it up in my head. So I was like building verses and like songs and whatnot and all I said. I'm jay-z and I write every single thing in my head, but like on breaks I put them on my phone. But like I've done whole albums, just like driving, you know, just building, because driving that's like my happy place where I can be alone in my thoughts. It's my alone time, so I can just listen to the music and think of something and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you know we went from having like a million notebooks to my phone or to, like, now, my head and whatnot. So if I hear a beat, I'm just going to organically like, like I'm going to mumble, mumble, mumble and get the sound of it right and then I'm going to start thinking of like punchlines and constructing it all together and I also be like, do it like a roller coaster.
Speaker 1:You know you want to take them somewhere. You want to, like, when you start off, small, go big, come back down or then fluctuate. You want to give them something. You down or then fluctuate. You want to give them something. You know like say, you're a song alone.
Speaker 1:Right, that's still probably my favorite song for you of all time. It's a, it's a big soliloquy. It's it's you talking to the world like they're in your living room and there's like so many different like emotions going into that song and shit, that was a song. Maybe you want to sign either the uproars, that's I still fuck with that song heavy and you want to take them somewhere. You want to feel connected with them, like no matter what they're doing, they're gonna shut up and listen to it. Um, you know. So I want to keep that in mind whenever I'm making something like hey, I like it. But like I want to make this digestible for the listener too, you know, hey, can they fuck with it too? Can it be in the background, they fuck with it. Or they can say like yeah, I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 5:Or pause or whatever you know.
Speaker 4:So it popped in my head when you were talking. Have you? I'm imagining this? Like me, have you put on a full concert while you're driving and someone looked up at you and said what the fuck is he? And you're putting on a full on show?
Speaker 1:Every day, man, you roll up to me and I'm bumping some Katy Perry or something. I'm full volume singing. Ain't nothing wrong with Katy, I love Katy.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's my girl Not when she sang at the home for Kamala Harris. She shouldn't have did that. Katy should not have never sang no Whitney Houston songs. Sorry, Katy baby, you got your own good songs.
Speaker 6:however she does have a lot of good music. It's just that, whitney Houston thing she did.
Speaker 5:She shouldn't have did that. And Titty's nice too. I didn't look at Katie's titties. I didn't look at Katie's, I was focused on the fact that she.
Speaker 4:I the way you uh present things does is like you're trying to be as polite as possible, but she threw shade, shade. It's so much shade, numb it on it like.
Speaker 5:Because I like Katy Perry, but just when she did that Whitney Houston song, like who authorized that? Y'all heard this before she got up here?
Speaker 1:There's so many good things about you. This, however, it is.
Speaker 5:Did you see it?
Speaker 1:That was hard. I put it on mute.
Speaker 5:Oh yes, Did you see it? I put it on mute. Yes and it still was bad.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I didn't see it so.
Speaker 5:I'll send it to you. No you need to see it, everybody. I saw it, you got to see it.
Speaker 6:Yep, I got enough of those in my inbox already.
Speaker 5:I'm going to send it to you all.
Speaker 2:You don't want to play that game.
Speaker 1:Yeah no, I saw it, you gotta see it. You seen one jar one one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nevermind, if you ain't seen it, then you gotta see it.
Speaker 5:I might send it to you so you can re-see it.
Speaker 4:I'll follow you. I'll send it right to you, yeah so what advice would you give any artist or entrepreneur following in your footsteps?
Speaker 1:I'm following my footsteps. For one, I got big shoes but flex. You know, size 15s, I think they shrink at least besides 16, like I used to be six, five, I think I'm six, four and a half now and I feel short. But you know, that's, that's besides the point.
Speaker 1:Um, hey, do what feels good to you that's that's, uh, that's that's the best thing I can say. Believe in yourself, have the gall to believe that what you do matters, because you never know unless you do it. You know and stay true to your guns. Believe in yourself, do whatever you do. I would say, research it. I don't believe that. Hey, you can be anything you want. You can be anything you're good at. You know. So you, you know. Put your money where your mouth is too. You may never know like you're gonna suck at whatever you do for a long time once you just start.
Speaker 1:But that's how you learn, like I feel like I failed so much in life and in music that I know what to do by process of elimination. So all those l's were lessons and made me become a master at a lot of things. You know, because I know the opposite of it, like okay, if that doesn't work, then obviously the opposite of that's going to work. So let me try that out. Okay, then learn to put a little paint where it ain't. You know. But uh, yeah, just you know, invest in yourself. There's always like a negative stigma with a musician, like like a rapper can't have a job, like it's like the only genre where, like having a job and being a musician isn't like cool. I'm like. No man like you got to invest in yourself, unless you got like a rich parent or you got you know something. You know you're going to have to work, you're going to have to invest in your craft. You know this. This shit ain't free. This shit all costs money.
Speaker 4:And I'll double down on that, because I met a lot of rappers that were like, hey man, you got to be about it. Just sacrifice everything, Just sleep on couches and you're like nigga.
Speaker 2:That's only if you can.
Speaker 4:If you can do it, more power to you. Oh you homeless, that's the homeless.
Speaker 2:I don't think you should do that, even if you can, but I'm saying it's one of the things where you get to the go, your go has to be all go and you can't like, hey, I'm taking a nap, like no, nigga, there's no naps. Like if you're doing this, like this is all go.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, invest in yourself Definitely. And yeah, I've seen a lot of the rappers that just be like oh, we're just nah, nigga, you have to right around getting it.
Speaker 5:How old are these rappers?
Speaker 4:because there needs to be a cutoff some of them were in the age where you're like hey man, like you gotta, I'm gonna say this there's gonna be a point when the check cash place don't take nothing, no more, and you're like, maybe I should.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it gotta be. It gotta be like a, like a little cutoff range.
Speaker 5:I don't think you should stop. If you've already like established yourself, when you get a certain age, keep going. But if you are like 35 and ain't nothing hit yet, you need a full-time job.
Speaker 6:You might want to set this one down this ain't for you, or just you just hurt a lot of people's feelings.
Speaker 4:I won't say age-wise, I'm just saying at a certain time, say age-wise. I'll just say at a certain time yeah, get the job to invest in yourself, as opposed to, um, just being like me it didn't pop off like the struggle sounds sexy, but it's not, yeah, it's not now she's taking people not not you.
Speaker 5:You guys, I'm not talking to the talented people that everybody know is talented already we.
Speaker 4:We just lost 30 subscribers, god damn it Des Well, I mean with the culture the vision.
Speaker 5:I ain't talking to talented people that everybody already know is talented.
Speaker 4:Motherfucker was eating his eggs. He got my mother in the car crying right now.
Speaker 5:But if you 34 and you just started rapping, and then it just don't hit. In the first year they gotta learn.
Speaker 6:Breakfast sandwich for AM.
Speaker 4:Okay, 37. 37. He got his breakfast sandwich for AM PM. He's sitting in the car listening to us. You just motivated some old nigga somewhere.
Speaker 5:He's like you know what? Fuck her, Somebody just cussed me out. They gonna be in your inbox asking can they get on the show Exactly?
Speaker 1:Or just respect your age and what you can do with it. Like, hey, if I'm coming in at 35, okay, I'm not talking about the same things that 18-year-olds talk about I gotta be grown to talk about these bills.
Speaker 6:I gotta pay. I got kids to put in college.
Speaker 5:You should be paying bills. You should be paying bills. And not just yourself. You know, like?
Speaker 1:what is those two British dudes like Pete and Boz the?
Speaker 4:old guys. Yeah, they be coming off All those grandpas, they be coming off they flying.
Speaker 5:A-coles. But see, you have to be doing that type of stuff you got to hit.
Speaker 1:They got double retirement. They got old money. They got all that. They're talking about that stuff Like, oh OK, that's in pocket, they be coming off.
Speaker 5:They cold, they cold.
Speaker 4:Pants on the rap.
Speaker 5:I don't know if you guys have seen him, but he just did Kendrick Lamar's whole album and he looked like Bill Nye, the Science Guy that nigga cold. Hey you got to know you got to find your niche. Can we say that, that nigga Yep. When you see his video, when you see, y'all know how I feel, but when you see his video, you gonna be like that, nigga cool.
Speaker 6:I gotta tell you something I threw up so what would you say?
Speaker 1:is your craziest uproar, uproar memory, sorry like I say on camera oh boy, don't worry, a lot of it's been like just seeing shows, like going out different areas that I'm not used to like. The OC LA always has the most interesting characters at the show and the OC there was this one place where there was like a literal like fairy in the audience.
Speaker 6:Wait, hold on what.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, like they were dressed up Like.
Speaker 1:Tinkerbell Like a good fairy yeah had wings there's like that's a good fairy, they like maybe they just came from a rave or something. But like she was on something there's like this giant fan, and she was just swinging at the fan, just right in front of it, just like swinging at it, like like she's gonna fight for her life. And then she went on stage and she barred the fuck out and I'm like, oh, I will never judge a book by its cover. I thought that I was imagining you. You're real. I wish I remember her name because I was a fan after that.
Speaker 5:Oh, you were warming up.
Speaker 1:You had to literally fight your demons to go on stage.
Speaker 6:Okay, that is funny. That would have tripped me out. Is she just swinging at the fan?
Speaker 4:Did you tap the person next to you like? You see her too, right, is nobody seeing this right now? Is she just swinging at the fan? Did you tap the person next to you like?
Speaker 1:you see her too, right yeah.
Speaker 4:Like hey is nobody seeing this right now.
Speaker 1:Did someone spike my drink? Did she ever?
Speaker 6:actually hit the fan.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 6:Oh, so the shit never hit the fan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whoever.
Speaker 4:Ah shit, I'm sorry, I'm on one.
Speaker 5:I can't say you, cause I catch all your bullshit every time you say something. I catch every joke that's funny.
Speaker 4:Fucking puns man I know Kevin hates them you would think, as a comedian, you would like them.
Speaker 2:I hate myself cause I like puns, but I hate puns.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we a lot of stuff we learned Tinkerbell, yeah, our craziest memories, like the stuff that we had to learn on the fly because no one taught us, we had to learn by ourselves. We had this show, many show, many, many, many, many moons ago, early 2000s, like with our first like big show together. And um, our engineer, he, uh he had like this big crush on like the homegirl that came to sing when I and he just had it in his mind like you know what I love this girl, I'm gonna marry her, like she's like, even though he existed, whatever right, and we had this big argument with him and say, hey, man, you got to chill, cause like you're, like you're harassing the homegirl, like we may have to pack you out, you know. And it was like a day or two before the show, he like went into the studio, deleted everything that we had recorded and like took all the equipment and then bounced and so we're like, well, damn, that was like our compilation cd, that was our, our big showing.
Speaker 1:So we went out, got some more equipment and I I learned a few things from some watching him and like I stood up for like a day and a half straight like trying to mix that album as much as possible. And you know, like he deleted the project files. We said like the, the vocals in there, so we had to find everything and re-record a bunch of stuff and then I stayed up having to learn that stuff like by myself and where you know, we had like a little you know factory line in there going okay, blah, blah, blah. You're in charge of cutting out the covers for the CDs. For the CDs you got the slimline cases you could put the covers on the CDs and even before CDs were burnt we were packaging them up and then we'd burn them. And it's like when a CD took like 40 minutes to burn for each one Nightwire days.
Speaker 1:We had old computers at the time and, yeah, and right before the show we were up on caffeine and no sleep and just young hunger. And we had the show. We had like a couple hundred CDs and we moved on and Dave actually got arrested that show. One of the cops pulled him off stage for something they thought he was banging because he had tattoos. But yeah, we learned from experience, like, and from then I learned, hey, I can't rely on anybody else. I got to learn how to do shit myself and I've been mixing my own shit and recording and mixing and mastering and doing the whole time.
Speaker 2:What happened to the motherfucker who?
Speaker 5:deleted. That's what I wanted to know. Did y'all catch up with him?
Speaker 2:I think I saw him like some years later About that time, like you, like some years later, about that time, like you want to put his name out there no I don't do that, because you know what he's older now and like somebody who has the ability to just be like fuck y'all and just do that. Now he's gonna be like I would never put a dude named Stranger.
Speaker 1:Tim on blast, because that would be very unprofessional, and fuck him wherever he's at. I mean, I wouldn't say that either, because that's unprofessional, but you know Well, that's too late.
Speaker 2:You already said it, oops.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 6:You're keeping. I mean I embrace the petty yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and I ain't scared of the pew pew, so pull up, run up and get done. We'll do that at Period. Okay, I keep that thing on me to my purse right now. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I learned to never rely on people. Since then I've been mixing and mastering my own shit, you know. So it was a blessing in disguise, because I would have been relying on somebody else still to this day if I never learned that valuable lesson.
Speaker 5:So thank you for being a little bitch. Yeah, thank you eat a dick yep and turn that motherfucking.
Speaker 1:TV off what's on the. The play ahead as well the Chappelle show. I wish all the bad things in life happened to you and nobody but you. Yeah, yeah, boo yes, yeah, and that's just karma. That's your karma. That's nothing on me, that's all you take it on the chin pause oh god I knew your ass was about to.
Speaker 4:I'm going to throw this out here to see how you react. Okay, do you think there would ever be a reinvention, reincarnating of a maximum capacity song?
Speaker 1:Maybe I've talked to Jesk a few times. I haven't talked to True in a while but I haven't talked to Trudeau in a while, but I think they're doing good. From last time I talked to them, we that maximum capacity. We were a group of large men which I thought was dope, you know, and we were all spitters. So it was like the fat boys mixed with Slaughterhouse, so we were big dudes and we were going to take over that stage and we were just all spitters. So it was like the fat boys like mixed like with slaughterhouse, so like we were big dudes and like we're gonna take over that stage and we're just all spitters.
Speaker 1:You know, we had some differences stuff. Like I was over zealous and over passionate about things and I I probably fucked it up, but right before our album dropped, like we, we broke up, but like we had a big buzz and it was, it was, it was dope and it was like a side project from what we were doing on the label and whatnot. It was very dope. It's unfortunate, but man, shit, I'm down for it. You know, I think time has passed and I said I reached out, we've talked and hashed things out. We all got busy lives and kids and whatnot, so we haven't really talked about it.
Speaker 6:It be them fucking kids every time.
Speaker 4:I always thought, because I remember that was how it came into the fold for me being introduced to the maximum capacity. And the feature is, when we found out that I didn't even know, king Dice at the time rapped and then it came off Dice's verse was so hard on that shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So for me it's like oh man, I got to ask Because it popped in my head and I'm like I just want to see if that would ever come to fruition, because it would be dope to see, because the concept alone was dope, and to even be a part of it to watch it was dope.
Speaker 1:So like, yeah, well, thank you. And then the fact that, like that was like what Shit 10, 11 years ago, something like that, people still talk about it. So it means it was something you know, jess King, jess, true, am I? Hey, man, much love to y'all. Like, hey, I'm down for it if you guys are.
Speaker 1:If it happens here. That's funny, though, the name of the album because there was a fourth member. It was only a dilemma. There was a fourth member at first and the name of the album was like 1498, because that's like what we all weighed together and then, when one was out. We changed it to like it was like 90, 93 stones, because that's, I guess, in stones like British terms, that's what our weight was after that.
Speaker 1:Silverado, so you guys are Silverado Pretty much. Man. Hey, lean into it. You got to love who you are. Right, we embraced it.
Speaker 6:I hate you, Kevin, because you said something wrong. I instantly thought heavy duty. These are all. I apologize. I don't Again, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I'm on one today. Yeah, he is on one, uh, but it's what's the name of this episode again? This is, this is talk your shit okay cool oh my god um, so Des are you ready?
Speaker 5:oh god, no, because he didn't already came in here and told me are you ready?
Speaker 4:uh, are you prepared?
Speaker 5:Just go ahead, Diesel. Go on and say what you're going to say.
Speaker 4:Diesel. What are your top five dead or alive MCs?
Speaker 1:So, to preface this, I come from a time where, like you had to be the best at what you did, right. Or like if you were at a cypher in my high school, you came whack, you were probably going to get fucked up that day, right? Or if you lost a battle to somebody, the people that had your back they're probably were going to fuck you up afterwards because you made them look bad in front of the other school or in front of the neighborhood or whatnot. So like I, you know I come from like, the time where you had to have the dopest verse on it.
Speaker 5:I don't care if you're the biggest artist, you ain't gotta preface this shit. What the hell he do?
Speaker 1:let him explain himself explain yourself, sir, so like my favorite rappers aren't like the most successful rappers in the world, but like they mean everything meaning like. So my number one is like my goats is Chino XL. That's my guy, right.
Speaker 4:Chino XL she's even more made because fuck chino excel and I like the list so far.
Speaker 6:He's from the same.
Speaker 1:He's from the same city that that your favorite used to be from, and they had a beef for a little bit. And I don't know if you heard the four minute freestyle that you know excel did against Pac. He kind of murked, she probably.
Speaker 2:Send it to me. I sent it to them. I was like they didn't get that.
Speaker 5:He's kind of the only one that went at him openly. I'll listen to it. Send it to me.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying and you know what Are you going to listen to it?
Speaker 5:I'm going to listen to it in finding the strength to listen to Fat Joe Lee. I mean, what's his name? Joseph? What's that man named?
Speaker 4:Joe Button.
Speaker 5:Joe Button. I ain't there yet. I'm going to listen to that though I'm working on Joe. Shout out to Joe Button, go.
Speaker 1:Joe and you'll see like. So I know everyone says Pac and Biggie but like they're, they're was good at what he did. I remember him from back in the digital underground days from the same song you know clown around. Whizzing him around with the underground goods. He used to frown, see him dead. Whizzing him around gasping, whizzing his ass when he used to.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know?
Speaker 1:Okay, I remember this guy who went to Juilliard.
Speaker 2:I can tell you where this came from.
Speaker 4:Suge Knight said hey got these couple meals.
Speaker 2:If you, if you run around acting like this, you want to get out of prison?
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, I need this.
Speaker 2:I'm going to sell on this label Now also, you know he's not in my top 20, but the Machiavelli album.
Speaker 1:that is my standard for the perfect album the 12 songs of everything, impactful, all bangers. If you have an album that's 12 songs as good, or somewhere close to that, then you have what I call the perfect album. I'm still trying to cut down my long-ass albums to make the perfect 12-song Machiavelli album, because that, to me, is the most perfect album of all time.
Speaker 2:Let me reverse this back. I just want to jab this in a little. You said not on your top. What Not on my top 20.
Speaker 6:Not in his top 20.
Speaker 5:I just want to say that we was going to glide past that. I was with him because he started talking about the album. We was going to glide past that.
Speaker 6:I just wanna say you don't have to appease her by mentioning anything, tupac, because this ain't her shit. Listen, this is your talk your shit episode. So talk your shit.
Speaker 5:Nobody give a fuck what Des is going through. Listen. They come to the door and they know okay, we gonna have a fight.
Speaker 4:Des never asked me my top five.
Speaker 5:I don't even wanna hear your shit, because I know your shit AD. I already know I can tell from how you react when people don't say Tupac, that your shit ain't got Pac on there. And I ain't asking you shit either. Pac on my five Pac ain't on your five.
Speaker 2:I got Jim Jones above Pac.
Speaker 5:You got to be kidding me. Not Nappy Brain, jim Ballin', not Nappy Bray Jim, I ain't even here. All right, continue Diesel.
Speaker 6:Please continue Smoking on my top five to nine.
Speaker 1:This is going to start out, because Kendrick ain't in my 20 either.
Speaker 5:I'm just going to put it in there. Are you sure? Did you hear the next album?
Speaker 1:I'm very sure.
Speaker 5:I'm very sure.
Speaker 1:It's his list. We could talk about him for a minute too. I think he's a technical cat.
Speaker 2:I feel like no, no, kendrick is amazing, I want to see where your list goes.
Speaker 1:So there's Pun. Pun is my top two.
Speaker 6:Is Chino number one, Chino's number one yeah. Oh, so we're going one down. And he's not. You said Big Pun's number two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, big Pun. Busta Rhymes. I fuck with his energy. Busta Rhymes, because I fuck with his energy. Busta Rhymes is, let me get it straight he's not the dopest rapper out there, but he can say the dumbest shit ever and makes it sound so cool.
Speaker 6:He's a lot of dumb shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he says the most ridiculous shit out there, but he makes it sound so cool. He's been saying the same verse since like 1987, but he's been saying it in so many different ways in the delivery and structure yeah yeah, you know get
Speaker 6:the fuck out of Sam. We got two more.
Speaker 1:Tech N9ne.
Speaker 6:I fucked with Tech N9ne.
Speaker 1:M.
Speaker 6:I was for honorable mention are we talking M before or after recovery you?
Speaker 1:know what M has been consistently good. I think he's better now than he was when he was younger. Like he can rap's better now than he was when he was younger. Like he can rap way better now than he was when he was younger. Everyone wants the old M back, but now he's grown. He's like he's a scientist.
Speaker 6:Let me ask you this In Music To Be Murdered by. Do you like side A or B?
Speaker 1:Hmm, I really didn't like those albums too much, to be honest.
Speaker 2:The second one, the deluxe, was.
Speaker 6:It, the second one Kamikaze, the deluxe one, it is his list, but I feel like B-side was way better than A-side.
Speaker 1:What was the one that had Alfred on?
Speaker 2:it? That song with the shit about the shooter? I still think that's one of the. The way that fucker wrote that song was still like what is it? The Darkness song? I can't remember right now, I know what song you're talking about? Yeah, I know, what song?
Speaker 6:you're talking about I know, what song you're talking about. I'm pretty sure if I looked at the list I could probably tell you.
Speaker 4:I noticed your, your five, have a a certain ability that not most MCs have the ability to do as far as, like, the flip of the tongue is that on par cause I noticed they all have the ability to flip on the rap fast they can do.
Speaker 1:They can speed like they can slow it down, they can speed it up. It's like you want the best. You want the best, like if you have, like, some really good authentic mexican food and then, like you get a burger then you go to texas and mexican food is trash, yeah it's just like a flat tortilla so I guess I get why you have your preface now, because it's you can see it like the it's a high bar yeah like.
Speaker 1:just you know like I grew up listening to my cousin Kuda. That was who I listened to, even being a rapper myself when Uproar started. We had a wall of shame. So if you said anything whack in your verse, any question or whatever, we ripped a page out the notebook and put it on the wall for a couple weeks and you had to write a whole new verse.
Speaker 6:So Ross wouldn't get away with Reebok's song and just do it, huh.
Speaker 4:Exactly, you know, fucking Rick Ross he'll never live that one down.
Speaker 2:He wouldn't get.
Speaker 1:He'd never live that one down so we were always like overly critical of stuff, like I was always like a film critic, like with music, so like it had to catch my ear. I had to hear something that's gonna be dope. And you know so, even my top five rappers. They may not have really dope albums, but their features are great. Arnold mentioned Crooked Eye. Right, crooked Eye is amazing. He doesn't get the commercial success that he deserves, but in hip-hop hands we know what he does.
Speaker 2:He's a rapper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and seeing someone like Common. Common's not the illest lyricist, but he's consistent all around.
Speaker 6:Common or Common Sense.
Speaker 1:Common. I didn't like common sense too much Okay, I'm just.
Speaker 6:I'm just trying to set the baseline.
Speaker 1:I like we started adding singers to the stuff.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Speaker 2:I've heard people say Chino XL is possibly the best like rapper of like rappers.
Speaker 1:I've heard that before. Yeah, like he's, he's, he's a beast, and maybe I'm partial because I grew up and I had a light-skinned icon. So like, okay, Okay, like we can—.
Speaker 2:You found your person, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like okay, I got a lot of my strength from this guy. Like, okay, cool, you can do it too, because you know being light-skinned in like the 90s, wasn't it Not?
Speaker 2:rapping. I don't remember. If you sung. I have a different song.
Speaker 6:You know Right, you light-skinned niggas would get all the baddies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the singers Shout out to Al B Shore yeah.
Speaker 5:He got that one song we remember and women was throwing their drawers at him. They still do. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. They just older now. I didn't have that experience.
Speaker 1:Oh you light-skinned too.
Speaker 4:That's what I got Does it count if it's the sun.
Speaker 2:Because I think they start throwing it at the sun. That's a gene pool right there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like a gene pool.
Speaker 2:Damn boy, you got it that nigga so much, your kid just get panty stuck yeah well the sun he over there diddy-bopping so we don't know.
Speaker 5:He might be taking draws.
Speaker 4:No, diddy.
Speaker 6:Oh he, another EJ he over there.
Speaker 2:So now the Skips generation. I don't even know what John is. Oh, he's a.
Speaker 1:Hey, like my Tachino, he's a. Like my son, my son's a Mac, he's seven. He says he's got three girlfriends of different classes.
Speaker 2:Oh, God damn.
Speaker 5:I don't remember that.
Speaker 2:Have you given them like just a bill?
Speaker 5:Right, you can have them down in here.
Speaker 1:I'm like damn bro the same woman, or like poor thing. What are you trying to do?
Speaker 6:I got to babysit half of them, or what's up. A hundred kids and one woman is diabolical yeah.
Speaker 4:That uterus is destroyed Period. It's going to one like by the 15th. Yeah, have you thought?
Speaker 5:of being a have you thought of being a sperm donor? You know, yeah, you need to yeah something else, buddy.
Speaker 1:Something else you know and like I, would see him just walk up to people and, like, say his name, my name is Atreyu blah. It's in you Like. You know it's either on you or in you Like. You got the pimp in you, son, like. But be good to people, don't use that for good.
Speaker 5:Does he show signs that he's going to be musically inclined?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think he's going to have a band and my daughter is probably going to be the singer, or?
Speaker 2:rapper. That's dope. Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm pretty. A couple years ago. Hey daddy, how do you make a song Like I've been waiting? Oh shit, so I can retire. I'm putting everything into you. Let me know. I'll be your manager, your bodyguard, your cook, your producer, everything. If you need me to kill some ice, let me know. I got you, sweetie.
Speaker 6:Fully invested. I used to tell McFly that he only has a certain amount of time before he's going to have to go home and battle every day for dominance in the house Because he's going to have competition inside that house.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6:And they're going to hit below the belt.
Speaker 1:Hey, don't go easy on him either. Don't go easy on him.
Speaker 6:The youngest one is just going to fight him.
Speaker 1:He ain't going to spit in that bar.
Speaker 4:He pumped me already.
Speaker 1:He pumped me already. Yeah, I don't know my son. Like I told him to do something, he looked at me.
Speaker 1:No, I'm like bro you better be able to fight, like, hold on who you talking to like that. Well, like, when you get bigger, you're gonna, you're gonna mess me up, aren't you like? Cool, I gotta put the fear in you now. Yeah, so that's just, that's just bound to happen, man, like, even like with uh, you know, we, we still dance, battle, we still play, just dance and whatnot. I'm like, hey guys, I'm not going to go easy on you just because you're my kids. I'm going to go harder on you because you're my kids and I want you guys to be the best.
Speaker 6:I tried that You'd be out there, pop lock and dropping.
Speaker 1:I tried that, but my daughter's a gymnast and she's way more your head. So you out here, pop lock and dropping it. You gotta pick a different game. I stick to mario kart while my knees still work right. So what are your current and future projects and ventures? Well, I have album I'm dropping on december 27th called higher self love affair. Um, I haven't dropped a project in three years. I've been been lifing. I be lifing sometimes and you got to live your art and I've been recording this whole time. I got the Fam Likely project coming out with Tangent that's dropping next year. I got my Toxic R&B Alter Ego album under the name of Luke Bage.
Speaker 1:Long way to part. That's where I get all my bad stuff out.
Speaker 2:You said R&B cuts.
Speaker 1:I put out an R&B album a few years back under Luke Bage.
Speaker 6:I think I said Luke Bage.
Speaker 1:That is hilarious. That's where I get all my toxic stuff out. I put it in the form of R&B and whatnot and, working on that, I got a project with the homie we Are Roses. It's under a two of four. It's just me and a producer doing some real experimental type stuff and some really really dope music, and I got a lot of stuff going on and I'm happy to release some music after having a drought for like a few years, you know. So I got all that going on. And the Higher Self Love Affair album is pretty much like doing spring cleaning, but like for yourself. You know people that shouldn't be in your life anymore, situations and mentalities that shouldn't be in your life anymore. Like, hey, I got to hijack myself and just get all this stuff out that doesn't serve me anymore and be unapologetically, um, for yourself. But it's not corny, they're bangers on there, but they're like really passionate, um, self-love, aggressive, self-love bangers. Like it's just some of my best work ever and I can't wait for the shit to come out.
Speaker 2:I love that, but it's just when you say it, my brain goes elsewhere. Oh, I'm excited to hear that Aggressive self-love.
Speaker 1:Hey, aggressive self-love, you know what? And that goes in the romantic category too Like don't waste your time on people that if you pour into them, they're not going to pour back into you. Like hey, jack off and save some money.
Speaker 6:Girl.
Speaker 2:I feel like you diddle, do what you gotta do and not give it energy. You can hate it in the morning and then just you Hate it in the morning. You know how much cheaper it is to jack off.
Speaker 1:I'm like bro, you don't have to get dressed, you can still go on about your day. I cannot.
Speaker 4:You've heard me say on this podcast many a times I'm a vigorous masturbator.
Speaker 2:We know Well, you don't have to say that, no more.
Speaker 4:That bird is real Aggressive self-love.
Speaker 5:You know, I'm glad I'm not sitting next to you today, because every time you say something you be like this, next to me.
Speaker 1:This album is full of post-nut clarity. That's what we're doing that's funny, isn't it? But in a spiritual sense, oh God, oh God it sense oh God, oh God, it works it works and that's what you got to do.
Speaker 1:Like you know, my, my, my favorite like um story from like you know, like the Christian Bible is um, when Jesus goes into the temple and he, he flips tables and crafts whips like not in my father's house, that's father's house. That's that's how I feel this album is. Hey, what would jesus do? Like jesus say hey, get out, get out. Um, this is what's going on, this is what it is. You can't, you can't do business here, no more.
Speaker 1:And that's what I'm doing with this album. I'm cracking whips, I'm flipping tables, like I just gotta clear the board and be like, hey, this shit can't go on. And like I take accountability album to like stuff that I contribute to those situations. And, uh, you know, we're all human. Like, we all mess up, we all, we learn, we live and we learn right. And so this is just me resetting it and like doing some shadow work too. Like like the idea behind shadow work is to really look inside yourself and not not worry about you, take your bad side, because it's not necessarily your bad side, it's just that side of you shadow self you know, and you're like, hey, sometimes you got no one to like tame that and sometimes you got no one to let that motherfucker out.
Speaker 1:And you know, take stand on business, you know. So that's what I'm doing on that like and you get, you get stuck in ruts and you get stuck in things that are comfortable and like, if I gotta get uncomfortable right now I'm dying like this and I, I can't, I like this no more. I fuck with that.
Speaker 4:I definitely fuck with that. Yeah, real quick before we get out of here. I keep looking at this Dr Pepper can, right, and it's my favorite Diesel memory. So when I joined Uproar they had like a celebration party where everybody got together as part of the label and we were just chilling at David's house and I brought Dr Pepper 10. So when I look at this Dr Pepper can, I think I remember I brought a can to Diesel and he goes what is this Dr Pepper 10.? And he drinks it. He goes tastes feminine and that I was like that's like the best branding because it's stuck in my head for over a decade. But every time I see a goddamn dr pepper can, it pops in my head because I remember the face he made. It was like it was the most disgusting drink you've ever had.
Speaker 5:He was like what the hell do feminine soda tastes like the hell dainty soda. What the hell do feminine soda taste like?
Speaker 6:The hell Dainty soda.
Speaker 1:What the hell that taste like Like poppies, those are so good I don't remember it. I'm not saying I didn't say it, because I probably did. I like to think I've grown since then I agree. Because Dr Pepper was my favorite. But that's a really weird comment that I had on it.
Speaker 5:I don't feminine.
Speaker 4:I remember you said it and I remember thinking this shit, that's funny Cause I it. For me it was like what the fuck does feminine taste?
Speaker 5:like.
Speaker 4:Delicious, right?
Speaker 1:Uh, she, if she bathes, oh my god, oh, I plug his shit it's an acquired taste, but once you know, once you like it, you like it.
Speaker 4:Right the moral the moral of the story at the end he drunk the whole can of Dr Pepper, so I mean then he likes feminine tasting things.
Speaker 5:I mean bingo and that is what she said let's go.
Speaker 6:I mean most men with beards can get their face rubbed oh man, this is just.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying cushion, shout out to.
Speaker 5:Patrick oh, poor Patrick. I want to see that poor guy in person. Shout out to Patrick that's my boy.
Speaker 6:Y'all just I'll be sunning him.
Speaker 5:I'm praying for his beard because I'm tired of y'all.
Speaker 6:We praying for him too, poe.
Speaker 5:Patrick.
Speaker 1:I know right now, when he hears it, he's like fuck you Mo Poe Patrick, yeah, give the people all your handles so they can know where to follow you so d z y l no other spelling ever accepted d z y l? 5k1. You can find me on everything on twitter, x now, um, instagram. That's my xbox gamer tag. We can, we can, squad up, you know. You can find me on anything with that. If you look for me, google me, it's gonna be d apostrophe, zyl 5k1 two different words. Um, find me on that. I'm everywhere.
Speaker 1:You know, uh, follow dapper up entertainment. That's what I'm throwing shows on now, my boy personal and imagine. And uh, we're trying to open up the grounds for everybody to come through and do your thing. You know, uh, there's a lot of people, especially youth, that are jumping into music that you know. They weren't doing shows pre-covid because they were. They were children, you know. They didn't have outlet for it. So they're coming out into the world now and experiencing that for the first time and we want to open that bridge to them. Even the people that we've known for a long ass time, you know we're going to come out and treat them how they should be, like, like, we're going to make Stude out. Stude's going to be a headliner, you know, when he comes out, we want people that we fuck with and we respect you know to come out and have a craft to do it.
Speaker 1:We're not going to try to gatekeep or nothing. You want time on stage.
Speaker 6:Let's figure out a time and place that works for you. Nah, don't do all that shit, don't.
Speaker 4:I know, what you mean. I'm just because I literally just got hit up by Personal yesterday.
Speaker 5:Shout out to Personal Don't act shocked.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying I'm, I'm just it's like it's, it's, you know, you know what he's, know what he's doing he's. As soon as I hear your headline, my brain goes what?
Speaker 6:What is it? What have people that fuck with you?
Speaker 5:Yeah, they fuck with you so goddamn hard. They starting to follow me. So what the fuck?
Speaker 6:Don't do that, don't follow her. He's just humble.
Speaker 5:Y'all can follow me.
Speaker 6:She talking about bullshit?
Speaker 5:He's just humble. Don't hate on me.
Speaker 4:I just know more than likely I'm performing in. January I heard.
Speaker 1:May even have a date for it already. What's?
Speaker 5:the date.
Speaker 1:January 10th sounds good. It could be it. It may not be it, I'm not sure. Probably 100%.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think, yeah, you may see some familiar faces coming out there and doing their thing.
Speaker 4:I had a good December. Let's just say that that's the motivation behind me.
Speaker 6:Oh, a good December, a good.
Speaker 4:December.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so we just want to build for, you know, bridge the gap between the various communities that we know. I got people from nye, la san diego valley, pomona, san diego. They, they all want to mess with us and we'll come out and do their thing and we just want to. We don't want to like, take over, like or monopolize anything. We just want to play our part and just have another venue for our people to come do this stuff. We're not familiar with you. Come, jump on the open mic show is what you got, and we can find a show that we could or a date that we can put you on. You know, we have like some exciting like open mic contests are going to be coming up too. So, like you, do good on this show and we will take the winners from the next couple shows and on the fourth show we'll have, like you know, a finale where you guys can win like some really dope prizes. Maybe you can get an interview. Um, you know, get a headline spot, get some gear, get all sorts of stuff and just coming out and doing your craft, doing what you want to do and having an opportunity.
Speaker 1:Like I got most of my opportunities life by jumping on open mics. I remember going to um south by southwest and my back in 2015 I had to show show with Jig or CJ Simmons and Dice and that was dope. And we were performing with other cats around here in California and whatnot. And I remember walking out and jumping into every single open mic that I could. I went to over 20 of them. I met people from all over the country, all over the world, and having a good handshake and a business card was helping me out so much where I still got connections with these people and bridges that we've built over the years just from doing that. So I know the importance of that. So, just because you see it's open mic, don't think that it's not going to be beneficial for you. Like, come out and show us what you got. Come perform for people that you may have not, you know, been privy to before. They may have been privy to you. They may fuck with you.
Speaker 1:You know, I, um, went on the show in la a few years back and I met this cat, um mercutio x, and he started coming to shows and this man has like, the like, the nastiest flow out there, like, from the first bar to the last bar, you're gonna be making the stank face. This guy's, he's a fucking rock star and I would never, never heard of shit if I'd ever had signed up for a place I was not familiar with, if I invited him to come to open mic and he jumped on. That I'm like I want to. I want to see this man grow. He is, he is fucking amazing. Mercutio x like, remember that name. That man is incredible. You know, yes, a youngster too. It's like and that's the thing, like a lot of cats are, I guess, my age now, because I'm years old. Um, you know, we didn't.
Speaker 1:We didn't have a lot of people looking out for us like my ogs didn't really exist, so we had people like um, a few that looked out for us like, say, c4, c4 yourself, dirty birdie, and one from pure and cut. Those are the ones that, like that, really showed me love. They're like big brothers to me. But for the most part we were fighting for scraps and the older people didn't want to like, let us in. They saw us as threats, competition. But like I see the younger generation, like you guys are the future.
Speaker 1:So it's our responsibility as big bros, as big uncles, big aunts. You know, we gotta, we gotta prepare you guys, you know, know, when I see the Sonny Babbles out there, when I see the Personals, the Mercutio Xs, the Ace and Sears, I want y'all to be the leaders and be efficient at what you do. You know. So if I can do whatever I can personally to help you get to that level, or maybe even just cheer you on, let you know that you got support, I'm going to do that and I feel people from our generation should be doing that and paying the best things forward and so on and so forth. No gatekeeping, yeah, fuck all that shit. Kick the gate open, make it bigger. We can all rush through it. Well, facts.
Speaker 4:So, in closing, again you opened up the door for a lot of artists, including myself. Uh, you showed a lot of love. You've always showed love. Um, I remember having late night conversations where I was fucking trying to figure out a direction. I wanted to go in music and I was always able to pick your brain and even seeing you continue to go and still keep that same energy and that upbeat tone and like even on the way here I was listening to Bone Crusher right and it popped in my mind I was like there's not too many people that have that kind of energy.
Speaker 4:Energy but I feel like, easily between man on fire and then you have that same voice to where it can just fucking catch you and and punch into your, your ear and just instantly, uh, catch your ear and make my motherfucker, you're gonna listen. And I think it's dope to see all this come together and see that you're still doing this shit, cause it still gives me motivation to want to keep doing shit, even when I feel like maybe I've hit my uh, expiration date on just fucking wanting to create anymore, because sometimes you feel like what's the point? But then, like I come across you and I go if he's still pushing, then that means I can still keep pushing, point. But then, like, I come across you and I go if he's still pushing, then that means I can still keep pushing. And, um, I think it's great to have you here again. You're my brother. Um, I want to see nothing but the best for you and continue success.
Speaker 4:And january 10th and on, man, like it's gonna be dope to see. And uh, 2025 is gonna be a great year. Year Again, I give to you, we give to you Diesel 5K1. And this has been Talk, yo Shit.
Speaker 1:You didn't tell me I was going to cry this morning. You better not stop here and cry.
Speaker 6:Like subscribe share comment. All that shit Until next time. If you don't do it, your mama a hoe oh my God, not your mama.
Speaker 1:But hoes gotta eat too Peace.
Speaker 5:Gotta eat this dick.
Speaker 6:Thank you so much.
Speaker 5:This has been another episode of the Heavyweight Podcast Talk Yo Shit. One thing about me, baby I'm showing up every week to see who coming to talk they shit. Y'all better show up with me. See you there. Bye.
